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Re: New Deck [Re: Bandit] #117788
10/08/07 01:02 AM
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You've certainly helped with the weight, but you will put more load on the beams. Cat rigged you will probably be ok as long as your beams are in good condition. Just don't go beating too many Taipans or Hobies!

The other area you can usually save a lot of weight on older boats is by removing most of the fittings! It's surprising how little you really need compared to the way they were rigged 15 or more years ago.


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Re: New Deck [Re: Tim_Mozzie] #117789
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She has a new deck,2 pac paint job, tramp, mast, rigging, boom, beams and a relitivly new sail. I have yet to buy rope but I am more than happy with the results so far. Will keep the clutter on the boat to the min and keep the essentails simple but hopefully effective.
I should hopefully get her wet in this weekend if all goes well. This is why I think NSW numbers could increase if we could revamp the old boats out there..

Re: New Deck [Re: Bandit] #117790
10/08/07 05:02 AM
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Who stripped the paint back? <img src="http://www.catsailor.com/forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" /> and you got any pics yet?


Re: New Deck [Re: wildtoy] #117791
10/08/07 07:42 AM
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Photos will be comming soon X Ben...
Nice work on the paint stripping Will. <img src="http://www.catsailor.com/forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />

Progress so far
The thin layer of glass on the decks had to be knocked right back as it was glassed with light weight chopped strand with minimal resin making the deck fairly rough but alot of sanding and a small amount of filler has leveled it out.
The decks are both done and we finished fairing the new inserts in bottom of the centercase to accomodate the smaller center boards.

Wed should be paint day.
The A class rudders arrive tommorow
and I pick up the new beam section tommorow.
The tramp is done just need to put things together.

Any sugestions out there on what to use for rivits??
I am a heavy bloke and I was planning on alu rivits but if there are any better sugestions I am all ears???

Re: New Deck [Re: Bandit] #117792
10/08/07 02:48 PM
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Bandit, Aluminium is not strong enough. All the boats we put together we use 3/16 stainless steel rivets. As for the glass on the deck you should use 2 oz matt and the minimum of West System resin. The resin has no UV protection so use paint or clear to cover and protect it. The final surface should be smooth and you should not be able to see the weave of the cloth.
Good Luck
Peter


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Re: New Deck [Re: First_Try] #117793
10/08/07 05:01 PM
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Yeah its old front deck section that was glassed the previous owner with chopped strand the new main deck is 120gm cloth and west sys resin.
2 pac blue paint to finish.

I glad you set me straight on the rivits First Try. My old mossie had alu rivits and it held together but this boat without the center beam and wire instead if side mounted bolt ropes will load the tramp up a fair bit.


Also I recall using monnell rivits on my Nacra.
They apper to be just as strong as ss butI belive they are less prone to corosion anyone care to comment further on the comparason of SS to Monell.

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Re: New Deck [Re: Bandit] #117794
10/08/07 05:31 PM
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I think Monel rivets are almost as strong as SS but I too have heard that they go better with aluminium.

The yellow stuff for putting between SS and aluminium to slow the corrision is Duralac. I've heard it's highly toxic, but it does the job.

For low-load items aluminium rivets are ok and will not create the corrosion problem, so I tend to use a mix of aluminium and Monel.


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Re: New Deck [Re: Tim_Mozzie] #117795
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Thanks Tim your definatly on the right track I'll give Whittys a call to see if they have it in stock and my arms will be well and truly buggerd after riviting in so many tough rivits..! I might have to source a monster riviter as my little one will be a struggle..


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Re: New Deck [Re: Bandit] #117796
10/08/07 08:05 PM
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Yeah that's all I have. It does hurt after a few 4mm monel rivets - esp if you get your hand caught when it goes bang.


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Re: New Deck [Re: First_Try] #117797
10/08/07 11:14 PM
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Hi Peter

Good to see you on the forum.

Do you have any news about the new boats being built?

For instance, how many, anything different about them, who's building them, what colour, how's the seam being finished etc.

You know - everything. We all want to know [Linked Image]


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Re: New Deck [Re: Tim_Mozzie] #117798
10/09/07 04:43 AM
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Tim,
Yes stainless steel rivets do require Durlac (Yellow staff). Monel rivets are a good alternative. One small thing 3/16 is all but 5mm I personally would be a little concerned if you are using 4mm. I have seen rivets share off holding things like diamond wire tangs, we drill a extra hole in each tangs for a third rivet because two will give up in the right conditions.
We are building three new boats at the moment, two have been sold and the third is the Association Hulls waiting for a crew. Sorry all hard to get Boyer white. The only change we have made is the mast rotation. We are using the same system as First Try so the rotation can be adjusted from the wire. The Hull Builder is Jim Boyer himself, we have one set of hulls ready for beaming this weekend and the second set will be ready in a couple of weeks. The seam will be fared out so not visible. Rudders and centre board on one boat are from Joe in Bendigo using Jim's moulds and the other will have Tony's latest centre boards and imported rudders. It will be interesting to see the difference. One Boat will be sloop but raced in cat configuration most of the time by a new skipper to Mossie’s with many years of experience in cats and other will be cat rigg with kit. We are also beaming up a new set of Chris hulls with a little luck in time for NSW. Sailing in Central Vic is the same as last year with wheels. Although Waranga Basin may be sailable. The first time anyone will see us on the water will be NSW for there states if we get there, other wise see you a McCrae in November.

Peter


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Re: New Deck [Re: First_Try] #117799
10/09/07 05:15 AM
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Hey all,
It's just over 2 weeks until the NSW states <img src="http://www.catsailor.com/forums/images/graemlins/cool.gif" alt="" />
So far it looks like we will have 5 cat rigged and 2 sloop <img src="http://www.catsailor.com/forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />
We are all crossing our fingers that there will be a few new boats (as last post) ready.
It would be great to hear from any others who may be coming.
jive (smik) had some good results at kernell last w/e.
http://www.kcc.asn.au/2007-2008/Results/2007_2008_Olympic_Series_R4.htm
Looks like we will have some good racing.
Cheers

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Re: New Deck [Re: becjm] #117800
10/09/07 06:41 AM
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It shows that you dont need a new boat to be competative, So bring out your old boat and have some fun, or maybe I might be able to take some one else's boat out <img src="http://www.catsailor.com/forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />.

Sorry for the thread Hijack.
William
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Re: New Deck [Re: First_Try] #117801
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Hey ben you forgot the pics <img src="http://www.catsailor.com/forums/images/graemlins/cool.gif" alt="" />
I recieved the A class rudders and the stocks are in bad shape so another project is in order.
I was wondering if anyone has tried bending alu without a proper bender.
I have a blow torch if heat would help and a large piece of Pvc Pipie 300mm dia to bend around.

Re: New Deck [Re: First_Try] #117802
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I usually try to get 3/16 rivets. I didn't realise 4mm ones were smaller!

So is Tony building centreboards and importing rudders? Where do the rudders come from? Different shape from his previous rudders?

Where did you get Chris hulls? Are these new ones? Is the mould back in action? Who built them?

You answer one question and get a whole load more!


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Re: New Deck [Re: Tim_Mozzie] #117803
10/09/07 06:46 AM
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Sorry Cam

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Re: New Deck [Re: becjm] #117804
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Hey Cam Ive got a bloke bending new stocks for jive this w/e if your interested.


Re: New Deck [Re: wildtoy] #117805
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Thanks for the pics Ben..

Re: New Deck [Re: Bandit] #117806
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Tim ,
Tony is not importing rudders he still makes them the imported rudders are Dotan.
The Chris hull are new, they were built a two or three years ago and not beamed up. We are starting beaming them afternoon.

Peter


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Re: New Deck [Re: First_Try] #117807
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Some blurry photos of Cams hulls

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