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#118946 10/01/07 04:59 PM 10/01/07 04:59 PM |
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Posts: 902 Norman,OK | Almost all cats run asymmetric spins. So I would looke for one of those.
As for that small of a cat, I would say something around 18 feet tall or so, maybe a little more but I am no expert
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#118948 10/01/07 06:51 PM 10/01/07 06:51 PM |
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Posts: 902 Norman,OK | Most people use a snuffer for single handing but I have heard of people using a bag off the tramp, that is how all used to be done.
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#118952 10/02/07 11:14 AM 10/02/07 11:14 AM |
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Posts: 6,049 Sebring, Florida. | The classic symetric spinnaker is designed to be used with a spinnaker pole that attaches to the mast, and you gybe the pole along with the spin, switching tack for clew on the new gybe. The Asymetrics do not switch tack and clew, they leave the tack attached to the end of the pole, and the clew is cut higher so the sheeting angle is right for a high reach, which is the point of sail you will be on most of the time, never being dead downwind, which is the only point of sail a symetical spin. would be of any use. You could try to use a symetrical spin. as an asymetric, but the sheeting angle would be all wrong and the foot might even drag in the water on a reach. You might be able to take it to a good sailmaker and get it re-cut to use it as an asymetric. You would still be better off getting a good, used, purpose built cat spin. though.
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#118953 10/02/07 11:21 AM 10/02/07 11:21 AM |
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Posts: 902 Norman,OK | Here is a question, on the original Hobie 14 they have gone back to sailing almost straight downwind. So if someone was bored would a symemetic sail work on one of those?
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#118955 10/02/07 11:24 AM 10/02/07 11:24 AM |
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Posts: 6,049 Sebring, Florida. | Yes, it will work on anything if you want to sail it dead downwind. It will also work on a reach, but just not as high as we usually reach, with our high apparant wind angles and all that. And the pole would have to come off the mast at about a 90 degree angle, ie. off toward the shroud (like a mono dinghy going downwind) if you want to go dead downwind, our poles are stuck straight out front so they wouldn't work.
The early Corsair F27 Trimarans used a symetrical spinnaker with a conventional pole on the mast, just like any monohull would use. Then some smart butt (Eric Arens?) put a pole on the bow and a big asymetrical spin. on it, and the rest, as they say, is history!
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#118956 10/02/07 11:32 AM 10/02/07 11:32 AM |
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Posts: 902 Norman,OK | I just thought about that, I don't plan to do it anytime soon.
I will have a spin on my 5.2 soon so I should get to learn all about it.
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#118960 10/03/07 08:55 AM 10/03/07 08:55 AM |
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Posts: 12,310 South Carolina | you just jibe it in front of the jib (between the leading edge of the spinnaker and the jib). I think some "sport" monodulls gybe the spinnaker around the front of the spinnaker - but most catamarans have stopped doing that. It's really easy.
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#118961 10/03/07 11:16 AM 10/03/07 11:16 AM | Anonymous
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Also, I've posted a question about the size spin I need to look for on my other current posting, "Spinnaker on a 14'?". I'd love input from anyone with experience. Thanks to all who are taking the time to help!
Kevin Just make sure you put some kind of loop about 3' up on the front of mast and run bungee from corner of front crossbar thru loop and to other corner of crossbars. Put sheeets outside shrouds and bungeee. This will keep the sheets from hanging up if blocks are not on the crossbars. Mine our of the rear crossbar on tramp tracks. This keeps the sheets from getting hung up under mast. <img src="http://www.catsailor.com/forums/images/graemlins/ooo.gif" alt="" /> <img src="http://www.catsailor.com/forums/images/graemlins/cool.gif" alt="" /> <img src="http://www.catsailor.com/forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" /> <img src="http://www.catsailor.com/forums/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" /> <img src="http://www.catsailor.com/forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" /> Doug | | | Re: symmetrical vs asymmetrical?
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#118963 10/03/07 02:17 PM 10/03/07 02:17 PM |
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Posts: 12,310 South Carolina | A lot depends on the sea state - but you can fly a kite in 20 to 25knots and possibly more. It takes some skill and nerves to do so in the heavy stuff though.
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