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Re: portsmouth [Re: Mark Schneider] #124285
11/21/07 02:34 PM
11/21/07 02:34 PM
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Just thought I would point out that the big boats will spend a lot of time and money competing on handicap

Key West Race Week has LOTS of handicap racing.

this PR clip was snagged from XS Racing
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As entries come in we're hearing exciting news from racing programs all over," says Event Organizer Peter Craig. "From custom IRC programs and established one design classes to PHRF boats seeking the 2008 National Championship, it's shaping up to be another impressive fleet."



IRC is the equivalent of Texel
PHRF is most similar to Portsmouth. (its pseudo statistical)

Our equivalent to Key West is the US Sailing Area Championships (except for the location of course <img src="http://www.catsailor.com/forums/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" />)

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Another Rant [Re: Jake] #124286
11/21/07 02:36 PM
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I am not even a racer, but I am a fan of cat racing, and a cat sailor.I follow the sport the way some follow football and baseball. I belong to Fleet 448. In the 10 years I've been sailing cats I have gone to a few regattas almost every year. I've watched participation fall off, and seen the demise of some fleets and regattas, like Fleet 28 and The Buzzard. Some of this I attribute to the "Hobie Edict", on the other hand a few Hobie fleets are flourishing, and "growing our sport" with remarkable success. I am so impressed with fleet 204 that I often find myself chanting along with them. If giving out more trophies works, I am all for it! There is an advertisement in Catsailor that has a pic of Pat and Sarah racing together. For me, that epitomizes what sailing is all about. Mike has been a great contributor of his time to 448 and division 12. He and a few others keep it alive and doing pretty well. If he can follow Pat's model, then we'll have another generation to pass our fleet and sport onto. But seriously, if Portsmouth is the only option, it at least means a start!

Re: Another Rant [Re: Brian_Mc] #124287
11/21/07 03:32 PM
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Just for the record for those who may be confused: The Carlisle Cup last weekend had one start on the Gulf for all cats for each of the five races. Nine boats. We broke the trophy-giving into groups.
The regatta raised about $6000 for the Clearwater Community Sailing Center programs. With monohulls on the bay there were 62 boats, 90 competitors and 40 volunteers. And lots of trophies.

Re: Another Rant [Re: writer] #124288
11/21/07 05:52 PM
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Jake, H16 and Supercat20 aren't exactly like boats, I think H16 and G-cat 5.0 or Supercat20 and F18 then you have a more fair fight. I agree with you completely though that if you can field a OD class of a few boats then go for it, but don't do it at the expense of the 2 local guys that have their old supercats or even worse put them in an open fleet with somebody on an old G-cat or something.

Re: Another Rant [Re: hokie] #124289
11/21/07 05:55 PM
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In the monohull world the SFBay 30s are a good example of how phrf can be used to keep things competitive. Without this fleet I would guess half the boats in it wouldn't be racing and there would be some guys trying to get a bunch of T10s or J30s together with no luck.

http://members.aceweb.com/borderline/sfbay30s/index.htm

Re: Another Rant [Re: hokie] #124290
11/21/07 08:19 PM
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I like portsmouth. I like class racing better, but portsmouth offers some unique opportunites.

In the doldrums on Sunday at Carlisle, I found myself next to Bob Barton on his N-4.5. He kept working, using every whisper of air he could find and stayed with me for a very long time. Yes, I beat him to the finish and yes he corrected out ahead. That means nothing. I was there, I saw the effort he put forth and I admire it. Well done Bob!

Re: portsmouth [Re: pbisesi] #124291
11/21/07 09:10 PM
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Hi Pat. I'll try to post a picture but I can't get it as small as it needs to be. Paul is run ragged accommodating my rigorous sailing program. We are currently practicing at every opportunity, including PHRF events, for racing one design in KEY WEST RACE WEEK. Most definitely see you at the Madcatter.

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Re: portsmouth [Re: John Williams] #124292
11/21/07 09:57 PM
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John,

How does one get a hold of you? Your PM box here is full and your comcast email address bounces.

Cheers,
Christopher

Re: portsmouth [Re: Kathryn] #124293
11/21/07 10:10 PM
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Hi Pat. I'll try to post a picture but I can't get it as small as it needs to be. Paul is run ragged accommodating my rigorous sailing program. We are currently practicing at every opportunity, including PHRF events, for racing one design in KEY WEST RACE WEEK. Most definitely see you at the Madcatter.


YEA SWEET!!!!!!! I will be in Jacksonville Feb or so to live. Maybe I can catch a ride sometime. Pretty good mainsheet trimmer in local races on big boats.

Doug

Re: portsmouth [Re: chrisun] #124294
11/21/07 10:44 PM
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Hi Christopher -

Had no idea that my PM box had a size limit. <img src="http://www.catsailor.com/forums/images/graemlins/tongue.gif" alt="" />

My new e-mail address is john.e.williams[at]charter.net. I tried to send a note out to everyone in my address book a couple of months ago...


John Williams

- The harder you practice, the luckier you get -
Gary Player, pro golfer

After watching Lionel Messi play, I realize I need to sail harder.
Re: portsmouth [Re: John Williams] #124295
11/22/07 05:15 PM
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Hey John:
Enjoyed sailing against you last weekend in the Portsmouth class.
I finally got it together for the last start. Started on Port and to windward of the only other boat doing that (he was the overall winner of the Portsmouth class). Just sailed my boat and concentrated on speed without worrying where everyone else was. Nice to finish 1st for a change.
John Dudash


Re: portsmouth [Re: JJD] #124296
11/22/07 09:08 PM
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2 big reasons I like Portsmouth:

1. Cost- We can compete in an $800 dollar boat that had a broken mast against any other cat that will race. Yeah, if they have a spinnaker we probably will not do well, but with TheMightyHobie18's and others close in rating I feel we are competitive.

2. Modifications are allowed!!

I know for many this is not even a consideration. But for those of us that love the challenge of trying to improve the original design of our boats it is fantastic. And it ties into my first point since we plan to add some type of reacher or spinnaker and see if we can stay closer to the newer spin boats. Possibly try a squaretop main as well. Try these types of upgrades in a PHRF class and you tend to face a lot of resistance. I know from personal experience. Keelboaters do not want anything to do with a homebuilt or modified boat. You are supposed to go out and spend the big bucks like they did on some design that is usually no where near optimized for racing. Heaven forbid you have some personal knowledge and ability in putting together a fast boat on the cheap. (Gee, don't sound bitter, do I?).

Lastly, I am thankful we could show up at local cat regattas in an old boat and be welcomed to race against the new hot classes and be told we need to throw a spinnaker on to be faster!

Yeah, H16 is the economical way to go OD, and we did that when I was a teen (Fleet 141). But now that our crew weight is pushing past 360lbs, I much prefer the bigger cat.

Jim.


Race cheap, race faster, Damnit!

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