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Posts: 337 Arizona | Does anyone ouy there use a quick release pin for the forestay attachment to the bridle? Seems a little risky,but Im trying to save on breakdown and setup time. I added a jib furler also and am thinking of using one for attaching the tack of the jib.
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#126639 12/20/07 06:11 AM 12/20/07 06:11 AM | Anonymous
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I no longer have a quick-release fitting on my forestay. And I always tape the pins in all my stays before I leave the beach. | | | Re: Quick release pins
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#126641 12/20/07 09:19 AM 12/20/07 09:19 AM |
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Posts: 1,304 Gulf Coast relocated from Cali... | Leave the quick pins out of your standing rigging. It's like leaving a grenade in a classroom full of 5 year olds. Eventualy someone will pull the pin. <img src="http://www.catsailor.com/forums/images/graemlins/shocked.gif" alt="" />
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#126642 12/20/07 09:28 AM 12/20/07 09:28 AM |
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Posts: 12,310 South Carolina | been there, done that. Had a new crew helping me disassemble my old 5.2. I was working on the rudders as he was struggling with something up on the bow. Suddenly I heard a wooshing sound and a simultaneously muttered "uh oh" from up front. I dove out of the way as the mast came crashing down. Fortunately no damage.
Of course, a pin and ring may not cure you from this possibility.
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#126643 12/20/07 09:55 AM 12/20/07 09:55 AM |
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Posts: 1,187 38.912, -95.37 | Wrinklie (since he's always by himself and has to solicit help) uses quick pins and after stepping puts in pins w/ring dings. Of course this will be harder to do with a single forestay.
To me a couple of minutes more is worth the peace of mind. We have no quick pins on the boat we race. Now our 16 play boat has quick pins for the forestay, blocks, tiller. I try to remember to release tension on the forestay and tug on the bridle quick pin to make sure that it's secure.
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#126644 12/20/07 10:17 AM 12/20/07 10:17 AM |
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Posts: 124 offshore | A systematic approach to the task is what makes rigging and de-rigging faster. Amen to that! I have a H-16. Admittedly, an easy boat to assemble. But I have it set up so you pull one or two strings and it goes up like a self-inflating blow-up doll! Hey, a blow-up doll! I better add that to my Christmas list!!! <img src="http://www.catsailor.com/forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />
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Posts: 3,969 | Quick pins have been known to fail, although it is rare, total reliance on them should be avoided.
This may not apply on your boat, but on my Hobie 16, I use a quick pin for the forestay, and a solid pin and ring for the jib (which becomes the forestay when rigged). Once the jib is up, I remove the quick pin from the (now) slack forestay and replace it with a solid pin and ring. When it's time to take the mast down, I switch back to the quick pin before taking down the jib.
The other option I have seen used by a top sailor is to double up on the quick pins. As long as your wires have large enough loops (thimbles?), you can fit two pins in there (you will need to insert them from opposite sides of the chain plate, since the heads are so large). This is especially helpful for side stays, since it allows you to adjust mast rake by "walking" the pins up and down the chain plates (remove one at a time and leapfrog it past the other).
Hope this helps, not the easiest thing to describe in text...
Mike
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#126646 12/20/07 10:29 AM 12/20/07 10:29 AM |
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Posts: 6,049 Sebring, Florida. | Quick pins don't usually fail, but they can easily get snagged on something and pull out, so be sure to tape them after you install them. Same goes for the standard ring-dings. I can't recall how many times I've had them snag my PFD and either rip clothes or pull straight and fall out. Now I tape everything.
Sure, it takes nearly a whole roll of $1.39 electrical tape and maybe 5 minutes, but it's worth it to not have things fall apart. Tape your knots too, especially the ones on the spinnaker pole! You know what happens when they come undone! <img src="http://www.catsailor.com/forums/images/graemlins/shocked.gif" alt="" />
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#126648 12/20/07 01:33 PM 12/20/07 01:33 PM |
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Posts: 3,969 | Oh yes, forgot about the tape. Extremely important. I tape all my rings too, even if they're under the shroud covers, as they are known to ride up when you're going really fast through the water, especially if flying a hull. It's ridiculous how many people don't tape their rings, and the rings are all distorted from being snagged. Maybe that helps to keep them from coming out, but I doubt it...
I've never seen a quick pin break, but have heard of it happening. That's why I said it's rare, but not unheard of. The one thing I have noticed is that as they get older, they tend to stick, and can stick "open" which would allow them to slide back out. I think this is because something in the guts starts corroding, especially if you sail in salt water often. Rinsing in fresh water might help, but I just replace them every few years (usually when I upgrade to the next brand new boat).
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Posts: 1,246 Orlando, FL | Suddenly I heard a wooshing sound and a simultaneously muttered "uh oh" from up front. I dove out of the way as the mast came crashing down. This has to be one of my all time favorite Catsailor quotes! "uh oh"
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#126651 12/20/07 02:55 PM 12/20/07 02:55 PM |
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Posts: 393 Syracuse,N.Y | The problem with quick release pins is that they do. <img src="http://www.catsailor.com/forums/images/graemlins/mad.gif" alt="" />
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#126652 12/20/07 05:39 PM 12/20/07 05:39 PM |
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Posts: 160 North Carolina | I sail a 16 and use some quick release pins as well, however not for the forestay or shrouds, but after reading these posts I think it does make more sense to use on the forestay that the jib tack plate, which is where one of them goes. I also use them to connect the tiller, and lower block to the traveler. I use a snap shackle to connect the upper block to the boom.
James 1983 Hobie 16'
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#126655 12/20/07 11:43 PM 12/20/07 11:43 PM |
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Posts: 124 offshore | Yeah, Karl, what's up with that? I saw pictures of the guys sailing their boats at this year's 14 NAs, and it looked more like a rodeo than a regatta! I mean, they had that mast lassoed to the dolphin striker with about 8 wraps! It was something incredible. I don't get it.
Are they sailing the rig so loose that the mast pops off the base? Why is the rig that loose?
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#126656 12/21/07 06:54 AM 12/21/07 06:54 AM |
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Posts: 1,884 Detroit, MI | Are they sailing the rig so loose that the mast pops off the base? In a capsize, yes - the rig is loose enough so that the mast can come off the step. Why is the rig that loose? Because it's fast. In heavy air, you want to rake back a lot, just like a 16. On a 14, though, you go dead downwind (no tacking) so you want the mast to stand up. That's why we have those lines tied to the bridle - you pull in on that line to stand the mast up. They are strange little boats. Just for the record, Karl, my mast fell down becuae the bridle bolt pulled out of the hull. The halyard lashings kept the mast on the step until it was nearly horizontal. | | |
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