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#131381 02/14/08 03:37 AM 02/14/08 03:37 AM |
Joined: May 2006 Posts: 1,383 Kingston SE South Australia JeffS
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Posts: 1,383 Kingston SE South Australia | Thanks Wouter I'm not looking to single hand the 5.7 that would be a crewed boat and I would keep the A or an F16 get rid of the A and only have to worry about one boat regards
Jeff Southall Current boats Nacra 5.8 1703 Animal Scanning Services Nacra 5.8 1667 Ram Raider Nacra 18 Square Arrow 1576
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#131382 02/14/08 05:04 AM 02/14/08 05:04 AM |
Joined: Jun 2001 Posts: 9,582 North-West Europe Wouter
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Posts: 9,582 North-West Europe | I see !
Well, the combo of an A-cat and the Taipan 5.7 is something to lust over. Choice to sail what won't get much better then that.
If combining both into one single boat is a requirement then the F16 can't be beaten. As nothing can ever be perfect you'll have to accept some payback, like slower performance to the T5.7, but having only one boat that does all may outweight these again. Having had two boats myself for several years I also see the advantages of having just one, both practically and financially (insureance etc)
I think that is basically the choice before you.
But like I always advice to sailors interested in getting an F16, I advice you to try and get a test ride on one. Gary Maskiel is still travelling about in South Aus with his Aussie Blade F16, in my opinion one of the best build F16 designs at this time. Afterwards you know for certain about what you are getting into and that will certainly help in making the final decision. When looking at converting a Taipan 4.9 then you must be aware that you'll be accepting a few additional drawbacks that require some additional modifications if you want to get rid of those. Contact me or someone else again it you are considering going that route.
Good luck and may you find the best boat(s) for your situation
Wouter
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#131383 02/14/08 05:31 AM 02/14/08 05:31 AM |
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Posts: 267 Switzerland | Andi, is a naked fat man on skis funny in Switzerland? <img src="http://www.catsailor.com/forums/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" /> Skiing naked? Outch! How about ice fishing <img src="http://www.catsailor.com/forums/images/graemlins/smirk.gif" alt="" /> Not quite naked but allmost. | | | Re: pain, turmoil and melodrama
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#131385 02/14/08 07:48 AM 02/14/08 07:48 AM |
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Posts: 6,049 Sebring, Florida. | That's exactly why I joined the Air Force instead of the Navy! <img src="http://www.catsailor.com/forums/images/graemlins/blush.gif" alt="" /> <img src="http://www.catsailor.com/forums/images/graemlins/shocked.gif" alt="" /> <img src="http://www.catsailor.com/forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />
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#131388 02/14/08 09:27 AM 02/14/08 09:27 AM |
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Posts: 1,121 Eastern NC, USA | Can't you calculate that rating using the handicap modifiers allowed by the Portmsouth committee?
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#131390 02/14/08 10:01 AM 02/14/08 10:01 AM |
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Just use the no-spi modifier on the basic F16 1-up USPN rating.
Area's using Texel have a spi-less rating for the F16's by default so the question is mute there.
Wouter
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#131391 02/14/08 10:06 AM 02/14/08 10:06 AM |
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Posts: 6,049 Sebring, Florida. | In addition to the P corrections, I thought the origian Taipan 4.9's were Uni, non-spinnaker boats, then added the jib, then finally the spinnker? I realize they were built long before there was a F16 rule but I think they measure pretty close (except in beam and...what else?) to the current F16 rules, so you could use their old numbers as a comparison.
Here's a "quandry" for you, as this has actually happened, quite often around here. Say a boat wants to race in an open fleet, distance race. Say the boat has a spinnaker on board, but due to the wind direction, and the course direction, the chute never leaves the bag, so effectively, this boat is carrying extra weight and windage just by having the thing on board, never to be used. Along side this boat races another just like it, but this skipper left his spin in the car, pole too, and halyard, sheets, bag, all the extra crap you need for a spinnaker.
Now the guy with the spinnaker on board but never using it has to use a much lower rating than the guy without, who is actaully sailing a lighter boat with less windage! At the finish line, they tie, crossing at exactly the same instant. Who wins? The guy without the extra stuff who is also using the higher rating of course.
So Pete, if you are going to -not- use your spinnaker, it would be a good idea to remove all the associated hardware as well and save your boat some wt. and windage. There might be a call for such a sub-fleet with new F16 owners who are crewless and maybe not so experienced with their spinnakers. Ask around, you might be able to get a few to go topless with you! (see picture above!) <img src="http://www.catsailor.com/forums/images/graemlins/blush.gif" alt="" />
Personally, I cannot imagine wanting to go without it unless it was just incredibly windy, in which case I might be at the bar instead of sailing anyway. <img src="http://www.catsailor.com/forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />
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#131392 02/14/08 10:32 AM 02/14/08 10:32 AM |
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Posts: 548 MERRITTISLAND, FL | Here's a "quandry" for you, as this has actually happened, quite often around here. Say a boat wants to race in an open fleet, distance race. Say the boat has a spinnaker on board, but due to the wind direction, and the course direction, the chute never leaves the bag, so effectively, this boat is carrying extra weight and windage just by having the thing on board, never to be used. Along side this boat races another just like it, but this skipper left his spin in the car, pole too, and halyard, sheets, bag, all the extra crap you need for a spinnaker.
Now the guy with the spinnaker on board but never using it has to use a much lower rating than the guy without, who is actaully sailing a lighter boat with less windage! At the finish line, they tie, crossing at exactly the same instant. Who wins? The guy without the extra stuff who is also using the higher rating of course.
Part of the game those guys playing the numbers get into. Answer: The guy with no spin/hardware wins. The mods are applicable whether they are used or not. If I really wnat to play it you can just look at the forecast and bring a whole different boat with you that fits the day. I will wait for the 30 knot reach distance race and pull my H16 out of mothballs and kick all your butts - Likely boat for boat | | | Re: pain, turmoil and melodrama
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#131393 02/14/08 10:45 AM 02/14/08 10:45 AM |
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Posts: 9,582 North-West Europe | I like the name "F16-topless", it is kinda sexy ! <img src="http://www.catsailor.com/forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />
Wouter
Wouter Hijink Formula 16 NED 243 (one-off; homebuild) The Netherlands
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#131394 02/14/08 11:39 AM 02/14/08 11:39 AM |
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Posts: 6,049 Sebring, Florida. | I will wait for the 30 knot reach distance race and pull my H16 out of mothballs and kick all your butts - Likely boat for boat [/quote]
No Doubt! <img src="http://www.catsailor.com/forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />
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#131395 02/14/08 11:53 AM 02/14/08 11:53 AM |
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Posts: 1,152 tampa, fl | Pete - I see in the classified section that your boat is sold. Is it really true??? Gone???
If your havin girl problems i feel bad for you son I got 99 problems but my beautiful wife ain't one | | | Re: pain, turmoil and melodrama
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#131397 02/14/08 03:16 PM 02/14/08 03:16 PM |
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Posts: 1,152 tampa, fl | Well that's good to hear, can't bust your chops if you don't have a boat. Oh, wait.....Robi doesn't have a boat...nevermind.
If your havin girl problems i feel bad for you son I got 99 problems but my beautiful wife ain't one | | | Re: pain, turmoil and melodrama
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#131398 02/14/08 05:48 PM 02/14/08 05:48 PM |
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Posts: 1,383 Kingston SE South Australia | Pete would a Mk3 A for $4000 keep up with a naked F16 regards
Jeff Southall Current boats Nacra 5.8 1703 Animal Scanning Services Nacra 5.8 1667 Ram Raider Nacra 18 Square Arrow 1576
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#131399 02/14/08 06:03 PM 02/14/08 06:03 PM |
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