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#134047 02/29/08 01:30 PM 02/29/08 01:30 PM |
Joined: Jan 2005 Posts: 6,049 Sebring, Florida. Timbo
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Posts: 6,049 Sebring, Florida. | That and neither one of them had their feet under the straps on the tramp. That's what they are there for.
OR, you can keep yourself hooked up to the trap wires as you sit on the tramp. At least then if you do get spit out the back, the boat will still be attached to you and not going off without you. <img src="http://www.catsailor.com/forums/images/graemlins/blush.gif" alt="" />
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#134048 02/29/08 01:38 PM 02/29/08 01:38 PM |
Joined: Apr 2007 Posts: 334 Seattle,Wa Don_Atchley
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Posts: 334 Seattle,Wa | Centrifugal Force. The boat pivots on the dagger boards with such force that it just throws you off the boat if you don't hang on. Hobie Tiger 2003 | | | Re: Why The Flip
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#134050 02/29/08 02:15 PM 02/29/08 02:15 PM |
Joined: Jun 2001 Posts: 3,293 Long Beach, California John Williams
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Posts: 3,293 Long Beach, California | At 56 seconds, boat's hit with a puff and skipper starts driving deeper - looks like a bit of a port lift, too. As they start the gybe to starboard, they're already really deep, so the main and jib filled from starboard sooner than they expected, which put them instantly on the low side leaning back... then the crew clings to the spin sheet, 'chute backwinds hard, and over she goes. Two events there - team falls off the low side when they're through the gybe sooner than expected, and boat flips due to backwinded 'chute. Good thing, too - it could have sailed much further away before flipping. <img src="http://www.catsailor.com/forums/images/graemlins/tongue.gif" alt="" />
Good breeze, flat water - looks like fuuuuuun! Work on those singing boards, though. <img src="http://www.catsailor.com/forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />
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After watching Lionel Messi play, I realize I need to sail harder.
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#134052 02/29/08 02:58 PM 02/29/08 02:58 PM |
Joined: May 2006 Posts: 182 Coopersburg, PA Vinny_M
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Posts: 182 Coopersburg, PA | Thats odd, I have a H14 friend who says that he never even bothers to tack because it is too much work, he just circles around and gybes every time instead. I guess with the jib on the 14 though it can be a bugger to get through the wind
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#134053 02/29/08 03:16 PM 02/29/08 03:16 PM |
Joined: Jun 2001 Posts: 12,310 South Carolina Jake
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Posts: 12,310 South Carolina | Thanks a million, guys! I see it now. It's funny once you understand what they did wrong. I've never seen both guys fall off a boat before it flipped.
Talking about gybing, I can understand why you'd do it in a race, but on a casual run, why would you want to gybe? Doesn't it put unnecessary stress on the stays? Growing up sailing Hobies, the owner would always tell me "don't gybe my boat." You gybe to get to where you want to go. Gybing in heavy air can be a bit tricky but it's not anything the boat shouldn't be able to handle. Gybing spinnaker boats is much easier because you are going much closer to windspeed (so when the sails transition sides, they do so much gentler if you keep your speed up).
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#134058 02/29/08 04:56 PM 02/29/08 04:56 PM |
Joined: Oct 2001 Posts: 915 Dublin, Ireland Dermot
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Posts: 915 Dublin, Ireland | Hmmm.... not a whole lot to go off there.
My guess is a Hurricane 6.5 made by Loday/White. That's a pretty wild guess, based on that it looks wider than 8.5' and the rudder castings look like the old Reg white design. The 6.5 was White Formula, not Loday/White. Most photos of the 6.5 showed racks - but there were a few built - maybe some without. The rig was so powerful, I think that you needed to use the racks in any kind of wind. Also I doubt that Reg built hulls that colour <img src="http://www.catsailor.com/forums/images/graemlins/frown.gif" alt="" />. Another also the 6.5 had large fairings at the beams and a lot more hull behind the rear beam. And also the mainsail was low forward and had a short high boom at the aft section - it's easy when you are looking at a photo from the brochure <img src="http://www.catsailor.com/forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />
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#134061 02/29/08 05:41 PM 02/29/08 05:41 PM |
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#134062 02/29/08 05:54 PM 02/29/08 05:54 PM |
Joined: Jun 2001 Posts: 3,293 Long Beach, California John Williams
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Posts: 3,293 Long Beach, California | Debate on boards up or down continues... I agree up, but I've seen winners who never touch 'em.
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- The harder you practice, the luckier you get - Gary Player, pro golfer
After watching Lionel Messi play, I realize I need to sail harder.
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#134063 02/29/08 06:20 PM 02/29/08 06:20 PM |
Joined: Oct 2001 Posts: 915 Dublin, Ireland Dermot
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Posts: 915 Dublin, Ireland | Debate on boards up or down continues... I agree up, but I've seen winners who never touch 'em. In the higher winds, on the Spitfire, on the edge downwind - up or down is the difference between pitchpole or not - you can feel the cat trying to trip over the boards, if they are down.
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#134064 02/29/08 07:09 PM 02/29/08 07:09 PM |
Joined: Jun 2001 Posts: 3,293 Long Beach, California John Williams
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Posts: 3,293 Long Beach, California | Dermot you're right, of course - in big air they have to come up. In the conditions in the vid, I think you can get away with leaving them down.
John Williams
- The harder you practice, the luckier you get - Gary Player, pro golfer
After watching Lionel Messi play, I realize I need to sail harder.
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