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#134919 03/09/08 10:15 PM 03/09/08 10:15 PM |
Joined: Jun 2001 Posts: 12,310 South Carolina Jake
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Posts: 12,310 South Carolina | There is no stipulation on that poll for people who are current members as well...or rather, an option for people who aren't currently members but will join, and those who aren't current members but will not join within the next year. It assumes that everyone that votes is currently a member.
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#134920 03/09/08 11:35 PM 03/09/08 11:35 PM |
Joined: Jun 2001 Posts: 3,293 Long Beach, California John Williams
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Posts: 3,293 Long Beach, California | Hi Mary -
While you make a valid point about people joining, what I meant was that we don't have enough people volunteering to govern the sport. We need maybe six or eight people who are interested in volunteering, and we need the member clubs and classes that you mention to start sending reps to meetings. I know it is a tall order - local and regional level volunteers are already spending extravagant amounts of time building their fleet or club or class. Kinda hard to expect them to also go to the meetings of an organization that inspires polls about whether or not to pay dues.
Anyway... like it or not, USSA is the MNA. If we can't get enough enthusiasm to get the current racing classes represented within USSA, it is absurd to imagine that multihull sailors could somehow form a national-level breakaway organization that would take over the function of USSA. So polls like this one lead to... what?
Sorry - feeling a bit bleak tonight. Maybe its the flu.
John Williams
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[Re: John Williams]
#134921 03/10/08 12:04 AM 03/10/08 12:04 AM |
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Posts: 805 Gainesville, FL 32607 USA | John, Sorry I missed what the MNA is. SO- we multihull sailors have to "unionize", then have to beg for representation by working/volunteering within USSA. ....And choke back the thoughts that USSA is not quite like a Stalinist organization viewing multihull sailors as "mentally-ill dissenters". Hmmm.
Dacarls: A-class USA 196, USA 21, H18, H16 "Nothing that's any good works by itself. You got to make the damn thing work"- Thomas Edison
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#134922 03/10/08 03:46 AM 03/10/08 03:46 AM |
Joined: Nov 2002 Posts: 5,558 Key Largo, FL & Put-in-Bay, OH... Mary
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Posts: 5,558 Key Largo, FL & Put-in-Bay, OH... | We need maybe six or eight people who are interested in volunteering, and we need the member clubs and classes that you mention to start sending reps to meetings. I know it is a tall order - local and regional level volunteers are already spending extravagant amounts of time building their fleet or club or class. John, I would think it is mostly a matter of money. I know Rick and I cannot afford to go to those meetings all over the country. Bless you guys who are able to do it. We need you, and we all appreciate your hard work on behalf of multihulls. <img src="http://www.catsailor.com/forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" /> | | | Re: US Sailing Membership Renewal Poll
[Re: Mary]
#134923 03/10/08 06:19 AM 03/10/08 06:19 AM |
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Posts: 1,479 Thailand | NO, I’ve had enough of US sailing. They are worse then worthless as they are also a hindrance with their attempts to control the sport! <img src="http://www.catsailor.com/forums/images/graemlins/mad.gif" alt="" />
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#134924 03/10/08 11:45 AM 03/10/08 11:45 AM |
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Posts: 1,200 Vancouver, BC | That's correct...what will existing members do when asked to renew this year? That was the the question I asked. There is no stipulation on that poll for people who are current members as well...or rather, an option for people who aren't currently members but will join, and those who aren't current members but will not join within the next year. It assumes that everyone that votes is currently a member.
Mike Dobbs Tornado CAN 99 "Full Tilt"
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#134927 03/11/08 09:18 AM 03/11/08 09:18 AM |
Joined: Jul 2006 Posts: 118 Sail Sand Point, Seattle mike220
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Posts: 118 Sail Sand Point, Seattle | Any one in the Pacific Northwest want to "Help" or "Volunteer" with the Pothole Warm Up at Potholes reservoir. The first of our Youth Series, the kids will be out sailing Waves April 4-6.
Its just a warm up sail so there will not be any racing exaxtly, just kids out on the boats having fun.
We need beach captains to help them on and off the beach and safety boat drivers.
Show up spend half of the day volunteering and have fun. It doesn't require your whole weekend.
Thanks If you are interested email me at mikehensel220(at)msn(dot)com
Mike Hensel Hobie Tiger
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[Re: Mary]
#134928 03/11/08 10:24 AM 03/11/08 10:24 AM |
Joined: Jan 2004 Posts: 1,884 Detroit, MI mbounds
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Posts: 1,884 Detroit, MI | Step forward to help HOW? What is it specifically that you need help with? The words "help" and "volunteer" are so vague. I'm sure that if you tell us what needs to be done, you will get plenty of offers to do those specific jobs. <img src="http://www.catsailor.com/forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" /> OK, here's a way: There will be three open positions on the One-Design Class Council Executive Committee this fall. Any one design class (including catamarans) is part of the ODCC, therefore they are eligible to sit at the table and be a part of the ODCC. As of today, the following catamaran classes belong to US Sailing: A Class Corsair 28 F-16 F-18 Hobie 16 Hobie 17 Hobie 20 Hobie Tiger Isotope Mystere 4.3 NACRA Reynolds 33 Shark SL 16 Tornado Wave I represent the Hobie Classes on the ODCC - the rest are fair game. If you want to help, contact the ODCC Nominating Committee: Tom Hubbell - hubbellthomas@ussailing.netPatty Lawrence - p.lawrence@fuse.netJames Appel - JamesAppel2010@comcast.netBTW, I sent all the contacts for the classes listed above an e-mail yesterday, requesting they give me their proxy for the meeting. Thus far, I have not received even one response. How can we effect change if we don't participate in the process? | | | Re: US Sailing Membership Renewal Poll
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#134930 03/11/08 10:38 AM 03/11/08 10:38 AM |
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Posts: 613 New Hampshire, USA | I will continue with my USSA membership for the simple reason of supporting the MHC mission.
Tom Siders A-Cat USA-79 Tornado US775
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#134931 03/11/08 01:20 PM 03/11/08 01:20 PM |
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Posts: 1,884 Detroit, MI | We did not get an e-mail from you for the Wave Class. Check your PM's | | | Re: US Sailing Membership Renewal Poll
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#134932 03/11/08 03:22 PM 03/11/08 03:22 PM |
Joined: Sep 2001 Posts: 756 Newport, RI wildtsail
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Posts: 756 Newport, RI | Okay if no one else is going to ask this then I am going to.... why is a guy from Thailand saying he is not going to renew his UNITED STATES sailing association membership? US Sailing is the national governing body for sailing in the US! Okay, maybe membership is open to those from other countries, but I think in terms of this poll, there is an incredible bias coming from other parts of the world. If he's not a member, he's putting negative propaganda into the minds who are reading this thread and voting. That'd be like someone from Iraq telling us that the war in Iraq is wrong! Slightly different perspective. Those who are encouraging us to step up and volunteer have the right idea! US Sailing has everything in place needed to encourage sailing, whether it be keelboats, multihulls, or etc. People like John Williams are exactly what we need, they are capitalizing on the opportunities presented by the organization. There are no other viable organizations out there with the type of resources that US Sailing provides us and the rest of the sailing community. Turning our back on the organization would be turning our back to those resources. I'd like to see some other organization come up with similar resources, it would take a tremendous effort and in my eyes would not be possible. I am not trying to start a debate, simply state my opinion which is in order to get what we want out of this organization we have to support it! If they do us wrong, we have to step up as we have and let them know! We can't always get what we want but that's life, that doesn't give you a right to give up. | | | Re: US Sailing Membership Renewal Poll
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#134933 03/11/08 04:59 PM 03/11/08 04:59 PM |
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Posts: 1,200 Vancouver, BC | Dude, take a pill! You have no idea about the guy's details...he may be a US citizen living/stationed out side the US...yes, this does happen! Propaganda?!?! Geez, what's wrong with raising issues to be discussed? Just 'cuz you don't like his stance doesn't make it propaganda. I'm not a US citizen, but I am a member of US Sailing...wrap your head around that one if you can. Can't see how an Iraqi telling the US that the invasion of their country was wrong has any bearing this discussion. Okay if no one else is going to ask this then I am going to.... why is a guy from Thailand saying he is not going to renew his UNITED STATES sailing association membership? US Sailing is the national governing body for sailing in the US! Okay, maybe membership is open to those from other countries, but I think in terms of this poll, there is an incredible bias coming from other parts of the world. If he's not a member, he's putting negative propaganda into the minds who are reading this thread and voting. That'd be like someone from Iraq telling us that the war in Iraq is wrong! Slightly different perspective. Those who are encouraging us to step up and volunteer have the right idea! US Sailing has everything in place needed to encourage sailing, whether it be keelboats, multihulls, or etc. People like John Williams are exactly what we need, they are capitalizing on the opportunities presented by the organization. There are no other viable organizations out there with the type of resources that US Sailing provides us and the rest of the sailing community. Turning our back on the organization would be turning our back to those resources. I'd like to see some other organization come up with similar resources, it would take a tremendous effort and in my eyes would not be possible. I am not trying to start a debate, simply state my opinion which is in order to get what we want out of this organization we have to support it! If they do us wrong, we have to step up as we have and let them know! We can't always get what we want but that's life, that doesn't give you a right to give up.
Mike Dobbs Tornado CAN 99 "Full Tilt"
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[Re: wildtsail]
#134936 03/12/08 11:58 AM 03/12/08 11:58 AM |
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Posts: 1,200 Vancouver, BC | True, gathering arguements for/against the issue was not the intended purpose of this poll...but I'm OK with it. Yes, this may affect the poll outcome to some extent...but that's OK too...if a person is sitting on the fence about the issue and reads (re-reads) the points made here, causing a shift one way or the other...that's great. Yes, this poll is completely vunerable to sabotage...but it's just an informal measure. We're not going to change the world with it. I think you took my post a little out of context. I was trying to make a point that negative statements or positive statements for that matter should not be associated with any poll of this sort. For one, by polling people outside the true sample you are creating an allowance for a large sample error. Also, the bias created by people who are not truly part of the polling sample will create more of a margin for error. That was my point with the Iraq statement... it was a comparison with no direct bearing on this discussion.
Okay.. maybe my point was out of place as this is an opinion poll and thread, anyone has the right to speak up... However, I feel like there has been plenty of discussion on this subject in other threads and to discuss it in association with a poll may be affecting the results.
I did intend to create any ill will and I apologize if you took it that way. I chose to bring up an issue to discuss just as everyone else in this thread, I did not realize the manner in which I was bringing it up would cause such a response.
Mike Dobbs Tornado CAN 99 "Full Tilt"
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