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Re: Midwinters update [Re: ] #135346
03/09/08 11:09 AM
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Now I don't know who pissed in Brett's cerial this morning but I guess it was me some years ago <img src="http://www.catsailor.com/forums/images/graemlins/cool.gif" alt="" /> at it always seems to be that way !

But who is saying that we don't have honest reporting here. How many hours ago did the pop happen ? It is a bloody weekend, for Gawd sake !

Give it some time to run its own course.

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Re: Midwinters update [Re: Wouter] #135347
03/09/08 11:44 AM
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I dont even know who the guy is??

Re: Midwinters update [Re: tshan] #135348
03/09/08 12:25 PM
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I came over to Key Sailing to take a look at the F16 and F17, seemed like a good chance to view these two cats on the water. I sure learned alot in a few hours.

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Race 2.. ahd a great start, hit the pin end with speed right at the gun. Smoking upwind and heard a pop which was something breaking which required us to forget the rest of the regatta. Had to help my friend with his boat.... I will fill you guys in on that later.


An F16 came to the beach with a damaged hull, they quickly disassembled the boat and left. I think the hull was toast.

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BC was holed while sailing a boat that may not have met F17 OD specs (special USSA approval)... mmmh? was that fair to the other F17 guys?


The F17 that was hit is a brand new F17, just purchased. The boat was equipped with the new aluminum mast & sail. (Class Legal)

From my view & some talk on the beach, three F17s usually finish ahead of the F16s.

F16 Blade very nice looking boat, nicely equipped. My ownly concern was the breakage that occurred during the first day.
F17 also nicely finished, definitely was a larger cat. also has a nice hardware package.

These are just my views
Have a nice day

Rich

Re: Midwinters update [Re: RZW] #135349
03/09/08 12:36 PM
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Thanks Rich. Did you happen to get the sail number of the damaged Blade?

Re: Midwinters update [Re: Rolf_Nilsen] #135350
03/09/08 12:39 PM
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Re: Midwinters update [Re: fin.] #135351
03/09/08 01:14 PM
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Pete, I don't think he said it was a Blade that had been damaged. Just that it was an F16. Were there other brands of F16's there besides Blades?

Re: Midwinters update [Re: Mary] #135352
03/09/08 01:21 PM
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I think Blades are the only F16s attending.

Re: Midwinters update [Re: fin.] #135353
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Well, then I guess that was a good guess. <img src="http://www.catsailor.com/forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" />

Re: Midwinters update [Re: Mary] #135354
03/09/08 02:47 PM
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I think it was PTP's Blade. I went over to look at it yesterday after checking out the hole in the new F17 and the busted up bow on the Nacra 20. I'm a little worried about that Blade though with the location of the break.

Tom

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Does anybody have the full results of that event ?

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Re: Midwinters update [Re: Thomm225] #135356
03/09/08 03:51 PM
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I think it was PTP's Blade. I went over to look at it yesterday after checking out the hole in the new F17 and the busted up bow on the Nacra 20. I'm a little worried about that Blade though with the location of the break.

Tom


OMG!! You leave us hanging like that!? Who hit whom? Where was the damage? Anyone injured? Pictures?

More! Please! <img src="http://www.catsailor.com/forums/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" />

Why so much carnage?

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Re: Midwinters update [Re: fin.] #135357
03/09/08 06:17 PM
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The F17 and the NACRA 20 had a collision. The break on the Blade was just forward of the front mainbeam about a foot or so on the inside right hull (ah.....starboard hull for you real sailor types). It was cracked basically from top to bottom........(I don't know the details of what he may have hit or when)

The winds were gusting on Saturday and somewhat out of the North which means lots of shifts. If you are not used to that then you were in for a long weekend.

Tom

Re: Midwinters update [Re: tshan] #135358
03/09/08 07:12 PM
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I posted something that wasn't accurate. It was supposed to be a humorous message about F17 changing their rig.

BC does NOT HAVE ANY problems with F17 OD regulations. He is testing it for the manufacturer and helping implement the new rig. It was an irresponsible post that in hindsight was poor judgement (on my part) that reflected poorly on BC. I apologized to BC this morning and he accepted it.

Rick, Mary or moderators: can you delete my prior post on this thread? Thank you.

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Re: Midwinters update [Re: tshan] #135359
03/10/08 12:13 AM
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Where are those details? <img src="http://www.catsailor.com/forums/images/graemlins/cool.gif" alt="" />


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Re: Midwinters update [Re: tshan] #135360
03/10/08 04:10 AM
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I posted something that wasn't accurate. It was supposed to be a humorous message about F17 changing their rig.

BC does NOT HAVE ANY problems with F17 OD regulations. He is testing it for the manufacturer and helping implement the new rig. It was an irresponsible post that in hindsight was poor judgement (on my part) that reflected poorly on BC. I apologized to BC this morning and he accepted it.

Rick, Mary or moderators: can you delete my prior post on this thread? Thank you.

I think NOBODY should ever suggest, even in jest, that somebody is cheating or even give that hint or perception. I'm glad you apologized.

Re: Midwinters update *DELETED* [Re: Mary] #135361
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Re: Midwinters update [Re: fin.] #135362
03/10/08 07:39 AM
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Do you think it is in the Corinthian spirit for a factory to equip a ringer with special equipment in an open competition? I don't.

That situation makes the sailor a professional competing against amateurs. It certainly isn't what I consider fair play.

it wouldn't bother me so much if the guy weren't so eager to point out how much more experienced he is than the "rookies" on the course

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Re: Midwinters update [Re: fin.] #135363
03/10/08 08:24 AM
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That situation makes the sailor a professional competing against amateurs. It certainly isn't what I consider fair play.

Pete, if "professionals" were not allowed to compete in regattas, you would be eliminating a high percentage of all the people who race sailboats. <img src="http://www.catsailor.com/forums/images/graemlins/frown.gif" alt="" />

Re: Midwinters update [Re: Mary] #135364
03/10/08 08:29 AM
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That is a discussion worthy of its own thread, either here or on the open forum.

Re: Midwinters update [Re: Mary] #135365
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That situation makes the sailor a professional competing against amateurs. It certainly isn't what I consider fair play.

Pete, if "professionals" were not allowed to compete in regattas, you would be eliminating a high percentage of all the people who race sailboats. <img src="http://www.catsailor.com/forums/images/graemlins/frown.gif" alt="" />


I'm not following you, <img src="http://www.catsailor.com/forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif" alt="" /> but I'll bite. How many people were paid to sail at the last Tradewinds? Or, were given factory equipment to use?

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