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Posts: 493 Minnesota | The Hobie 16 & 14 have been around, well, just about forever. Many of us enjoy our old boats and do most anything to keep them going. I believe the older boats should now be considered "Vintage" boats. But, what defines a vintage Hobie? Pre-comptip? Old style jib cam cleats? Pre-redline? Sail colors?
What are your thoughts on this?
Jeff Peterson H-16 Sail #23721 Big Marine Lake, MN
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Posts: 182 Coopersburg, PA | Hi Jeff, I consider mine to be "Vintage", (AKA Old like Mary said" 1980 Hobie 14!!! What defines a vintage Hobie? got ya beat....ive got a 79'
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Posts: 1,187 38.912, -95.37 | When looking at the definition of vintage in adj. form Characterized by excellence, maturity, and enduring appeal; classic. The Hobie 16 fits this criteria, still strong amongst all one-design sailing classes. OR You may say pre-1995 without integral traveler tracks (allowing more rake) are outmoted. Prior to that possibly pre-1984 when the class lowered min. weight to 320#s.
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Posts: 493 Minnesota | I'm looking for a variety of opinions, but my personal opinion tends to the "true" older boat. If it has a comp-tip, its hard for me to call a boat a vintage Hobie. I would certainly get upset with calling any post-1984 boat as vintage. The 1984 change is a definite watershed.
Jeff Peterson H-16 Sail #23721 Big Marine Lake, MN
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Posts: 851 US Western Continental Shelf | About 7 years ago, I met a guy who is now my friend. He was learning how to sail a Hobie 16 and I gave him some advice and eventully sailed on his boat. It was Hobie 16 number 166, as stamped into the aluminum stanchions.
This boat's hulls were severely faded from sun, but they were as hard as glass with not a soft spot to be found.
I do not know what the weight of this boat was.
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Posts: 321 Albuquerque NM | Hi Jeff, I consider mine to be "Vintage", (AKA Old like Mary said" 1980 Hobie 14!!! What defines a vintage Hobie? got ya beat....ive got a 79' Got you beat, 70-71, h16, serial number ccme 23170 very much hoping to get the soft spot fixed this year and put it back on the water.
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Posts: 493 Minnesota | (Karl, check your private messages.)
...Now, back to the topic of Vintage Hobies...
Jeff Peterson H-16 Sail #23721 Big Marine Lake, MN
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Posts: 1,187 38.912, -95.37 | They should have a class for 30+ year old boats at the 40th aniversary regatta. Who's gonna run the first Vintage Hobie 16 Regatta/Rally? Which goes back to the original question. What is the cut-off year? What defines vintage?
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Posts: 321 Albuquerque NM | They should have a class for 30+ year old boats at the 40th aniversary regatta. Who's gonna run the first Vintage Hobie 16 Regatta/Rally? Which goes back to the original question. What is the cut-off year? What defines vintage? Not sure it is just the date of the boat, but would you not have to have age appropriate Sails, Blocks, Tramp, harness, rudders and most importantly of all crew? What about the Mast? For a car to be truly vintage, do not all of the parts also have to be vintage? Could you set the time line to be something like prior to the upgrade of Parts X say for example Main blocks Sam
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Posts: 1,187 38.912, -95.37 | Sam,
Good point, it would be very rare to find enough boats that haven't been upgraded with jib systems, main blocks, EPO's and the like.
I'd suggest the cutoff be no newer than 1983, as that's when the minimum weight was dropped/standardized, even then some older (pre '80) boats are light. It would be hard to arrive at a consensus.
As far as the crew age goes, HCANA rules have master and grand master established.
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Posts: 321 Albuquerque NM | So, what about comptip vs non? If the vintage rules are followed, a "true" Vintage boat would not be eligible to sail in HCA events. <img src="http://www.catsailor.com/forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif" alt="" />
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Posts: 921 Alachua, FL | Sails, Blocks, Tramp, harness, rudders and most importantly of all crew? What about the Mast?
For a car to be truly vintage, do not all of the parts also have to be vintage?
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I can speak to the reference to Vintage Race Cars:
Generally speaking, we permit replacement of all components with original spec items, regardless of when they are manufactured. That means, in theory, that the whole boat or car might be made of essentially new parts.
When original spec parts are no longer availible, then we allow parts that are functionally similar. This of course can be a grey area subject to heated debate.
In the case of "Vintage Hobies", I would support the time-line concept. You won't get recognition from Hobie for several reasons, primarily because they have the Comp Tip rule and also they are in the business of selling new boats. However, factory parts are readily available.
For non-Hobie races, the Vintage Hobies (VH16)?? could start with the H16's and just be scored separately. Since they would still be class legal, they might also be scored with the fleet as well.
The key points to define a VH16 could be:
1. Pre-1984 hulls.
2. No Comp-Tip.
3. Max mast rake as defined by rule.
4. Min weight of 365#
5. Sails cut to 1983 pattern, but aftermarket to same design allowed.
6. Open tramp rule.
7. Original jib halyard and downhaul.
8. 6:1 mainsheet.
9. Plastic rudders.
10. Crew age….??? Not sure if that should be a factor…the youngsters wouldn’t have a fair chance!
Another concept would be to take in Prindle 16 and Sol Cat survivors. They ought to be able to race straight-up with the VH16’s.
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Posts: 6 Norcal | I think my boat fills the bill as a vintage H16: 1971 hull# 1842.
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