at my club there is no program for those who grow out of the Opti. We also loose a lot of the elder kids in the Opti program, pretty much like everywhere else due to different and much debated reasons. Nationally there is a small 29er class and we have one of those at the club. Nice boat, but hard to sail and no expertise at the club so it has fizzled.
A friend and I was discussing if we could get a program going for those growing out of the Opti. The F16 is a bit potent and hard to right for these kids? Or? What class should we aim for and why? We would like an easy to sail but still challenging doublehander. The "market" is wide open, but since we both are multihull evangelists, we would obviously like it to be a multihull. Options, and why?
Obviously, if we are to start something, we would probably need to run the program personally for 3-4 years, so it would be a long term comittment both for us and the club. But if this could create the basis for an F-16 class both locally and nationally, hey..
A cat have two hulls, so a large bra is possible <img src="http://www.catsailor.com/forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />
Seriously, we need something to fill the gap and keep them interested. Sure many get "other" interests and we loose them for a while anyway, but with a fun program we should do better than todays rate at 100%.
To look at other possibilites at the same time, would the F16 or the Dart16X be the better sailing school cat for adults? I have an opinion, but others please.
In the UK, apart from the Dart 16/16X the new kid on the block is the Topaz 16S/16CX. Better yet is it's little sister the Topaz 14 and its choice of 4 rigs. With Reg White behind the design it should be a reasonable performer...
As John says. Reg White was at Datchet last Saturday with a Topaz 14 Extreme and that looked good. Big main, large spi. Get the cheaper rig with dacron main and you can put two kids on this no problemo.
Pete, IMHO A H16 is too powerful for kids out of an opti. Even with the baby^H^H^H^Hrental rig
Re: Feeder class for F16
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I got the 4.3 for my start to the Blade. It has everything you have but boards, just in a smaller scale. and MAN has the spin been a learning curve. Still a lot to learn but it is a HOOT!!! Can't wait and hope to make to you to live near GYC Pete. Once I get a little more job experience I can live and work anywhere.
At the MYC Training has been going on for 20+yrs. We have seen approx 600 kids on the water during this time and to date only approx 4-6 have gone on to become full members and compete in Club racing. Given these statistics we have asked ourselves if training is worthwhile. A Club can't survive without members and training hasn't been the answer. We are really looking into this problem and have found two major issues. 1) All training is geared towards regional and national racing squads. If you don't make the grade then you're basically forgotten about. 2) All training is geared towards singlehanded handed sailing in Opti, Topper and Laser. These two points in my opinion have put off 99% of all youngsters who have been fortunate enough to experience sailing. The looks and performance of the Opti could be putting off 90% of youngsters as soon as they go on the water. As a Club we have been looking to ditch the Opti for the more modern Bic but this is not likely to happen due to bureaucracy. We are also intending to purchase RS Feva's in order to promote more 2up sailing opportunities. Unfortunately the UK trait of dismissing cats as an inadequate means of sailing is still fairly rife amongst some of our members, most of which who are involved with training and is probably due to being brainwashed by the RYA from such an early age!!! But a part from this small group the Club is really coming to terms with Cat sailing and racing to the extent that this year we are hosting the F16 Worlds, A Class Nationals in June and Tornado Nationals in Sept. This wouldn't have been entertained less then 5 yrs ago so you never know maybe in the next 5 yrs we might be asking your advice on what the best small cat is for training. Good luck with the training programme and please let us know which cat you choose.
I wrote something about this in another thread. The problem with racing is that there can be only one winner, and is eliteist in nature. To keep the kids and youth interested we need something more. I remember from my own youth that tension was very high when we competed, but games, training and the social aspect was fun. There is more to it, like having organizers/coaches who are dedicated to what they are doing, structure, follow-up etc but making it fun is what we would focus on. If this is going to happen "we" would take responsibility of the clubs youth program for the next 3-4 years. Recruiting, training, social happenings, keeping it going through winter etc etc. My goal would obviously be to 1: Get more youth into sailing for the sake of sailing. 2: Grow interest in the F16
About boats. As F16s are rare on the used market, that route seems closed. Same for Mosquitos with a tuned down rig etc. The boats just dont exist here. The Hobie16 seem a bit high powered, and might be a competitor to the F16 creating strife in the future. There are used boats on the market which is good for the economy. Topaz sounds good. As does the Dart, both being rotomoulded.
Gato, the F12 is not available yet. I dont think I want to build the boats for this but rather have the club finance them. Personally, I also want to see a spi on the boats with the opportunity for an adult to also go out with a kid. I am not really clear on where the F12 is going. Youth or kids (where the oppie is today) I asked for opinions, and I sure got what I asked for <img src="http://www.catsailor.com/forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" /> If this goes anywhere, I'll let you know.
at our club we sail A class, Stealth , Hurricane 5.9sx , Tornado olympic Sport ,Darts in all guises, we have run high performance cat regattas attracting the rest too , F16 , spitfires, f18s etc , and youngsters are not interested in cat sailing , think they are boring and for OLD farts with dull banter I'm afraid to say , they can be tempted to crew now and again , but look for rewards . Loch Ness race still attracts their attention though because it makes your balls grow <img src="http://www.catsailor.com/forums/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" /> My sons moved from toppers to 29er youngest at only 12 and the helm, when you see kids flying about at hyper speed in these relatively (to cats and other monos ) very wobbly boats there would be no comparison , they quickly out grew the 29er after mastering it (they got too big !) , now sail 4000's want a 49er , foiling 600's or any other hp skiff they could get their paws on
When I was young cats were miles ahead in performance and glitz and quite rare , things to aspire too , the array of modern hp monos weren't about then .
Exspense of cats left them for later life .
Whilst cat sailors think they are cutting a dash on the edge of life compared to the younsters antics on skiffs its a bit pedestrian and safe for them ! and lets face it if we are to be honest we know its a LOT easier to sail a cat in any conditions when you know how .
only hope previously of getting young kids into cats was for olympic aspirations , but thats bin feked now ,
Still I hear theres some young uk cat sailors out sailing VX40s as we speak with alingi so theres hope there.
as cats sailing profile grows slowly and a cheap supply of HP cats filter down there will inevitabably some youth pickup .