| Re: H16/H14 UPGRADES
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#14012 12/11/02 01:11 PM 12/11/02 01:11 PM |
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Posts: 1,252 California | The "ballot" included in the article in the NAHCA News is a "comment" issue rather than a vote. The IHCA is looking for comments regarding the proposed changes. Here is the text: "The purpose of this vote is to provide opportunity for members of the Hobie Class to participate in the rule change process and provide comment." Any vote for changes will be at the IHCA General meeting at the Tiger Worlds in Singapore in February. Here is a link to the August/Sept NAHCA News: http://www.hobiecat.com/sailing/racing/nahca/nahca.pdf | | | Re: H16/H14 UPGRADES - future ramifications
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#14017 01/15/03 11:47 PM 01/15/03 11:47 PM |
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Posts: 264 Neb | Just basic things on a H14 and 16 make a nice difference. I know a fellow that has customed out an H14 turbo, loose footed sail, square top Pentex, adjustable downhaul, etc..
Changes that need to be made to the H16 design:
1. Adjustable downhaul, 5:1 and lesser. 2. New boom assembly for a loose footed sail. 3. Ball in socket mast step which will allow for adjustable mast rotation.
The Hobie 16 is a fun boat and even with all of these changes, it still will not be very competitive with the other boats in the 16 foot classes. It was designed to be a beachcat, not a race boat.
Personally I think the 16 is on it's last leg. It was a great one design class, but the formula boats will dominate in the future. Plus a Nacra 570 is easier to handle, beach, holds more people, priced the same and is faster. | | | Re: H16/H14 UPGRADES - there is always hope
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#14018 01/16/03 12:00 PM 01/16/03 12:00 PM |
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Posts: 390 | "Just basic things on a H14 and 16 make a nice difference." I agree totally. The "no changes" philosophy has always used extra cost as an excuse, but how much do most simple improvments cost?
Cheap convenience improvements: Increased downhaul - a couple of small cheap blocks and 10 feet of line. Increase main sheet from 7:1 to 8:1- one block. Downhaul cam cleat - $18
Not so cheap improvements: Loose footed main - the existing boom could be modified into the new FX1/Tiger/Fox/Dragoon style with a few parts, but I don't know if the sail would need a major recut or be replaced. Captive ball mast step - The Dragoon is in the process of converting from the H14/16 mast step to a H17/20 ball step. Lots of expensive parts. Self tacking jib - Lots of parts and maybe a new jib. Spinnaker - see above.
The hard core racer is going to spend plenty of money to stay competative with new sails, new wires, lighter blocks, maybe even a new, lighter boat. Despite what the oldies say, money still makes a difference.
While the H16 is losing sailors to the new hi-tech boats, I think there is a lot of life left in her. Part of the problem is image. A boat with a spi and a self-tacker just looks modern.
My main interest in the H14/16 improvements, as I am an H17 sailor, is that we will be next on the list for upgrades after Hobie is done with the H14/16 upgrades because I am tired of going to regattas and being in fear of my life going downwind with I20s and Tigers and other spi boats blasting around me. WE NEED HELP!!! Good luck to the H14/16 Class. | | | Re: H16/H14 UPGRADES - class rules
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#14021 01/16/03 05:49 PM 01/16/03 05:49 PM |
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Posts: 390 | MauganH17 - My point is that it must be Class(Hobie Corp.) approved first. flounder - I just wonder if the cut of the standard sail will work properly if it is rigged loose-footed. The boom should be attached to a fixed goose-neck like everybody else. A Harken traveler is very expensive and much heavier than the new system that Hobie is going to with the strap. It would be easy and cheap to install on an existing boom. Remember, the cost of an upgrade will affect wether or not it is approved. Look at the pictures at www.hobieclass.com - Rules Forum - Dragoon Upgrades.pdf. I don't understand what you mean about "The "regatta" is not changing with the times and boats, When there is a boat change, the course should change." What do you suggest? | | | Re: H16/H14 UPGRADES
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#14024 01/17/03 10:17 AM 01/17/03 10:17 AM |
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#14027 01/17/03 12:13 PM 01/17/03 12:13 PM |
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Posts: 54 Panama City Beach, FL | The Hobie 16 class is a great class to sail in. Look at the mega's, the H16 was the largest class. Class racing is much more fun that open, no numbers to figure, there's no well you have a more favorable rating, did you use the right wind range? There just something about being around other Hobie sailors, what can I say ITS A HOBIE THING! HAVE A HOBIE DAY, Brad Stephens 850-235-2281 www.sunjammers.com Authorized Hobie/Vanguard Dealer
Thanks, Brad Stephens Panama City Beach, FL | | | Re: H16/H14 UPGRADES
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#14029 01/17/03 06:32 PM 01/17/03 06:32 PM |
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Posts: 390 | flounder - If you had looked at the picture, you would have seen that the proposed Dragoon boom has the outhaul mounted externally. It consists of one cheek air block $8.37, one single air block $7.32, one long "D" captive pin shackle $6.49, 8ft.(?) of 3/16" Spec-set $5.44 and in place of the stock webbing- 2 ft. of 5/16" Specta for loop $2.96, all for $30.58. The cheapest Harken setup - H157 traveler $77.75, 1ft. track $10.80, two end stops $7.30, one cheek air block $8.37, one long "D" captive pin shackle $6.49, 8ft.(?) of 3/16" Spec-set $5.44 for a total of $116.15. Which do you think is lighter? How can class racing be any more expensive than handicap racing? There is always an advantage to the person willing to spend more money on their boat. Class racing is, and always be, the fairest form of racing. How could you be against that? The handicap systems CANNOT fairly take every little modification and addition into account. You start at the same time in boats that point the same upwind and downwind, they handle high winds and low winds the same, they handle smooth or rough water the same, if a boat is ahead of you they are beating you, if a boat is behind you, you are beating them, you know who to cover, who to ignore, no HC adjustments, no time keeping errors, no waiting on the PRO to calculate the finishes, the boat that finishes first wins, PERIOD. It doesn't get any better than that.
Are you saying it is better to have bigger boats drive over you, bigger boats handle the surf better, spi boats blanket you, higher pointing boats head you up, faster boats finishing before the wind dies, "light air" boats beating you on the light air days, "heavy air" boats beating you on the windy days, waiting for hours for the last boat to finish, and waiting for hours for the finishes to be posted. That doesn't sound like much fun. Every body who wants to, should be allowed to and encouraged to race and HC racing is interesting and fun, but class racing is the best!!! Even with class racing, when you are 45lbs over minimum weight, like me, you never win, but you have a good time. | | |
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