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couple pix from the Meigs #148671
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good on Sam n'em at FWYC... they worked VERY hard!

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Re: couple pix from the Meigs [Re: tami] #148672
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What kind of main sail is that on that Nacra 20 - number 20?


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Re: couple pix from the Meigs [Re: Jake] #148673
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Ditto Jake's question AND in the first picture is it normal to connect the forstay chainplate offset like that?


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Re: couple pix from the Meigs [Re: Chris9] #148674
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does the rubber chicken work as a wind guage or is he there just for good cluck (i mean luck)

Re: couple pix from the Meigs [Re: Jake] #148675
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Jake: Not my boat. Ask Mark Smith.
Chris: Not my boat. Ask Marc Reiter.
Andrew: It is my chicken. That is The Wind Chicken, and it's MIZ Wind Chicken to you.

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Re: couple pix from the Meigs [Re: Chris9] #148676
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Ditto Jake's question AND in the first picture is it normal to connect the forstay chainplate offset like that?


I didn't notice that - heck no! That's a failure waiting to happen.


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Re: couple pix from the Meigs [Re: tami] #148677
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Re: couple pix from the Meigs [Re: ] #148678
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That "extreme square top" sail's got the Key Sailing logo on it. Perhaps someone over there could elaborate?


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Re: couple pix from the Meigs [Re: waterbug_wpb] #148679
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That "extreme square top" sail's got the Key Sailing logo on it. Perhaps someone over there could elaborate?


I can't believe Mark Smith would go with a non-class-legal mainsail?


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Re: couple pix from the Meigs [Re: Jake] #148680
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That "extreme square top" sail's got the Key Sailing logo on it. Perhaps someone over there could elaborate?


I can't believe Mark Smith would go with a non-class-legal mainsail?

Check out the ncl jib with the mini squaretop. He usually sails with this setup at the OSYC events.


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Re: couple pix from the Meigs [Re: tami] #148681
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results are posted

http://www.fwyc.org/RaceInfo.html

scroll down to Meigs, look on the far right, click results of interest

Re: couple pix from the Meigs [Re: Jake] #148682
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I can't believe Mark Smith would go with a non-class-legal mainsail?

Yes he would. Been talking about it for a while. Legal to do so in a Portsmouth event.


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Re: couple pix from the Meigs [Re: John Williams] #148683
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I can't believe Mark Smith would go with a non-class-legal mainsail?

Yes he would. Been talking about it for a while. Legal to do so in a Portsmouth event.


I thought a lot of portsmouth events have a rule about having boats sail with equipment legal within their classes though. I thought I saw that language for the RTI NOR.
Can' find it now though. You certainly know more about this than I do so maybe I was mistaken.

Edit:
found it: but this is for the RTI in the SIs
Modified and non class competitors must abide by their
applicable or Portsmouth Ratings including modification factors.

So would Smith have to take a modification hit?

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Re: couple pix from the Meigs [Re: PTP] #148684
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Yes, Mark would have taken the larger than class legal main hit "ML" modifier since the jib appears to be the same size there is no hit for that.

DPN*ML = 59.3*.98=58.114

But if the main is the same sail area (within 5%) and just a different cut he should take the MN hit. DPN*MN = 59.3*.995 = 59.0035 it's more likely this is the modifier used. If you're a numbers player it's a small hit for an updated sailplan.

Isn't DPN fun.


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Re: couple pix from the Meigs [Re: PTP] #148685
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Read the modification - if he's within 5% of the class legal sail area, then there's no hit.

Mark said he'd never use those sails in a class event, of course.

I'm a friend of Mark's. He was my first long-term skipper in catamarans and he's made incalcuable contributions to catamaran sailing in the Panhandle. I think, however, that gaming the numbers is poor sportsmanship. In Mark's defense, I'll say that he's only following others' examples.


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Re: couple pix from the Meigs [Re: John Williams] #148686
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Nope, that aint quite right boss

MN - For non-class legal mainsail, of same sail area or less than class legal mainsail (formerly square top adjustment)

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Re: couple pix from the Meigs [Re: John Williams] #148687
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I know Mark also... good guy.

Re: couple pix from the Meigs [Re: David Ingram] #148688
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There's no official modification factor for non-class legal Jib of the same area or less, but it's an obvious improvement over class legal the RC should invent one.

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Any other deviations from standard class configurations, including the addition of wings, can be assessed a penalty of at least 0.995. Multiple deviations may incur multiple penalties. Penalties may be greater than 0.995. Please identify any such modifications and penalties assigned and include with results reported to the handicap committee and Portsmouth Numbers Committee.

Re: couple pix from the Meigs [Re: Rhino1302] #148689
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Re: couple pix from the Meigs [Re: David Ingram] #148690
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Nope, that aint quite right boss

MN - For non-class legal mainsail, of same sail area or less than class legal mainsail (formerly square top adjustment)


You're right, of course, Dave. It is a 0.995 hit. The hit for sail area greater than 5% is 0.980.

For ease of reference, a N20 rates 59.3. Mark's rating, if he's not taking any mods on the jib, is 59.0. Unless his sail is really more that 5% bigger, which would rate him 58.1, almost the same as the M20.

Quick Sailwave run; Mark owes a stock 20 about 31 seconds an hour, while the "large" main owes the stock 20 just over two minutes an hour.


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