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snuffer #15214
01/09/03 03:45 AM
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hi all (im new too this forum never used it befor,)
has any one ever used this snuffer system befor does it work does it have much wear on the spinaker can any one give me advise on this snuffer ,thanx

heres the web adrees http://www.proust-sailing.com/les-kits.htm

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kurt
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Re: snuffer [Re: taipan029] #15215
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I'm thinking of a snuffer too. But the spinni I'm using, is not with silicon or something else coated, so I guess wear and friction will be a problem.

Any solutions / expiriences?
Fair winds to all!


Andi, Switzerland
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On my Nacra 6.0, with the foil, the EO snuffer I have sits low out there in front, and has been a problem with chute snuffed, in big seas.

I'm now lashing it just in front of the foil, Much the same technique as this 'guk' style snuffer. The tack line is more conventional as the tack is on the fore end of the pole, with the reteival line working basically the same.

This looks like a good set up to me. It really helps to lube the spin with 'McLube', silicon spray, or something similiar if you don't have the special spin material that's out now.

Once my top spin halyard shieve(block) was wasted, and resulted in a great deal of wear on my spin, because it wouldn't go up and down well.


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We have added a link to our site in hope to clarify some snuffer question www.Sunjammers.com. Click on the parts and accessories page, there you will find the link. Sunjammers would like to thank everyone who contributed to this link!

Thanks,
Brad Stephens
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Thanks,
Brad Stephens
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Andreas,
i dont think it matters if you spinaker is siliconised or not aslong as there is nothing to get it cort on

kurt
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Hello Kurt!
There are threads on the F16 forum at this website on snuffers on Taipans so you should check them out.
I am not familiar with the Proust snuffer but I do have experience with the pole-end snuffers and a mid-pole snuffer made by a US Tornado sailor, Lars Guck- I believe there is info. on Lars web page about that one.
I much prefer the midpole snuffer due to decreased windage and weight more centralized. I have my "skunk" (as Guck refers to his snuffer) just forward of an imaginary line projecting down from the forestay- ala the Tornados and it works well there. I use a similar system to the Tornados for the halyard and have been putting the snuffer bag on top of the tramp rather than under. There are photos of my boat on the F 16HP webpage and I can send you some if you send me your E addy-

Another Kirt!


Kirt Simmons Taipan #159, "A" cat US 48
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Snuffers are VERY hard on spinnakers. I know a guy who has chutes that he uses for snuffing (buoys) and chutes for distance on a straight pole. Only because the snuffer is soooo hard on the chute. (You know who you are!!)

Will R

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Some told that the spinni could stick to the sock of the snuffer when the sail is wet.
Could it be, that the sock should be made of some mash material?


Andi, Switzerland
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Hi Todd

thanks for your reply!
I'm a bit concerned about the waer of the spinni.
How often do you had to replace your spinni (because of the waer)?
I'm sure that sail Lube will reduce the waer. How often do you apply it. Once in a while or every time you go out for sailing. It would also be nice to apply the sail lube with a sponge, rather than to spray, less waste and cheaper (I guess?).

I' dont have a jib, so I go for a mid polesystem. What I heard is, that some people use 1 to 2 transmission for retreavel and hoisting. Have you ever thought about that?

Greetings from Switzerland!


Andi, Switzerland
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Mc Lube the hell out of it. Our spinnaker lasted all season with obtaining only some minor tears.
Before setting out to sail, we raise the spinnaker then slowly begin to retrieve it. As it is going into the ring, I spray the spinnaker and ring making sure to spray the areas where the most friction is occurring.
It worked really well for us last season. No major tears and we did a lot of racing in all kinds of conditions. (Mostly buoy)
We do not have a silicon spinnaker either.

Tracie
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Re: snuffer [Re: Will_R] #15224
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I agree that snuffers are harder on spinnakers than hand launching due to the friction and wear involved. As to separate chutes- This is a good idea because the siliconized chutes would be hard to hand retrieve (compared to a non-siliconed) AND in distance races one is not usually doing frequent, rapid launches or retrievals nor requiring the ability to launch/retrieve from either tack (another advantage of the end pole and midpole snuffers over bag launching- With bag you have to retrieve/stuff on the tack you intend to launch next time). Plus you can completely do away with the increased windage/weight/drag/complexity of any snuffer system.
Plus one can have different cut/size spinnakers for distance vs bouy racing then-

Kirt


Kirt Simmons Taipan #159, "A" cat US 48
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The bag can be of any material- I have had a dacron bag and a Mylar/Kevlar bag and sticking didn't seem to be a problem (biggest "stick" is the "wad" of spi that tends to occur at the retrieval line attachment points as they enter/exit snuffer hoop), the E-O snuffers do use a stretchy type of mesh.

Kirt


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Andreas-
I have used a 1:2 hoisting system and it works well except you lose some ability to "force" the spi out of the snuffer hoop if it wadded up when going in and, since I wasn't able to use a 1:2 retrieval system (there is simply not enough "room" between the rear of the snuffer bag and attachment of the retrieval line to the spi and the rear beam to allow for the amount of line necessary- on my boat at least) it means there is a lot of "excess" halyard laying around when the spi is hoisted. I use a continuous halyard/retrieval line so this was a problem. If you used separate lines and the "dog leach" style take up spools this would negate that problem. I believe you have an F 18HT (Ventilo?)- Most of the US F 18HT's at the Nats used a midpole snuffer (the same "skunk" I have)- You might want to ask on their forum what halyard/retrieval system they found worked best-

Regards,
Kirt


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i also beleve ausralian high perfprmace catamarans (taipan)
are coming out with a snuffer in febuary this yeah but im not shure wat sort it will be i have asked them for a imformation

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