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Re: Aaron and Mark [Re: TEAMVMG] #152205
08/20/08 11:53 AM
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Images from Andy's SailJuice blog. The sail has a specific application. If the Tornado series had started a week earlier, the outcome would have been different, and the conclusions just as invalid.

Both the Tornado and Star classes had significant equipment differences that, while within the rules, make some people uncomfortable. We'll see if ISAF or the IOC decide there are lessons to be taken away. If the event had been as light as the vast majority of us expected, the US teams in the Star and Tornado might have done much better, which would very likely have led to some serious discussion about "one-design-ness." Now I wonder if those conversations will take place. <img src="http://www.catsailor.com/forums/images/graemlins/tongue.gif" alt="" />


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Re: Aaron and Mark [Re: John Williams] #152206
08/20/08 02:39 PM
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I feel a bit sorry for the Belgian team though, they dropped their mast after the 1st race today theirby dropping out of the medal race, despite the RC waiting for them to sail the 2nd race.
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Re: Aaron and Mark [Re: Tony_F18] #152207
08/20/08 02:58 PM
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what happened?


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Re: Aaron and Mark [Re: waterbug_wpb] #152208
08/20/08 03:26 PM
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what happened?


Gotta tape those spilt rings folks! <img src="http://www.catsailor.com/forums/images/graemlins/blush.gif" alt="" />


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Re: Aaron and Mark [Re: Tornado] #152209
08/20/08 09:15 PM
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Cincinnati, Ohio
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So, the tornado, hobie wave, and taipan have all had luck with the chupacabra\code zero\hooter\upwind gennaker. What other classes have been able to pull it off?

I frequent inland lakes that often have light and shifty air. 4-8 knot winds are not uncommon. Could I pull it off on a hobie 16?

More importantly, could it be pulled off on a Mystere 4.3??? And would it be class legal on the 4.3????? Yeah, I'm thinking about buying one.

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Re: Aaron and Mark [Re: Tri_X_Troll] #152210
08/20/08 09:49 PM
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It does not look like the T has pulled it off at all.

Could be a bit quicker upwind in the 3 to 7 knot range but all else, forget about it.

Don't forget this sail was developed with 3 to 7 knots in mind against a strong current against you upwind. Without the current on the nose upwind, you are giving away a large advantage to the standard boat around the bouys.


Re: Aaron and Mark [Re: John Williams] #152211
08/20/08 10:39 PM
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Both the Tornado and Star classes had significant equipment differences that, while within the rules, make some people uncomfortable. We'll see if ISAF or the IOC decide there are lessons to be taken away. If the event had been as light as the vast majority of us expected, the US teams in the Star and Tornado might have done much better, which would very likely have led to some serious discussion about "one-design-ness." Now I wonder if those conversations will take place. <img src="http://www.catsailor.com/forums/images/graemlins/tongue.gif" alt="" />



One-design may be good for the Olympics, but is incredibly boring. Intelligence and improvement require more space. The most politically correct one-design would be the Optimist. The youngest athletes in the games would deserve a lot of media attention.

The Chupacabra reminds me of Eric Tabarly. His open minded developments made him the greatest rule optimizer/bender. The Fastnet winning schooner with an enormous genoa between the masts forced a rule update. The depleted uranium keel forced another one, and the water ballasted solo transpac another. His hydrofoil tri motivated the categorization (does this word exist?) of the transatlantic record to separate monohulls from multihulls. The sea lawyers really had to run to keep up with his pace.

None remembers the sea lawyers who fixed the rules after his inovations (and achievements) - but all sailors remember the great man.

The Chupacabra is an innovation that Tabarly could have created. He would have loved it. The initiative is admirable of those who developed the sail, as is the courage of those who dared use it. Wining or not.

Cheers,


Luiz
Re: Aaron and Mark [Re: Luiz] #152212
08/21/08 12:03 AM
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Both the Tornado and Star classes had significant equipment differences that, while within the rules, make some people uncomfortable. We'll see if ISAF or the IOC decide there are lessons to be taken away. If the event had been as light as the vast majority of us expected, the US teams in the Star and Tornado might have done much better, which would very likely have led to some serious discussion about "one-design-ness." Now I wonder if those conversations will take place. <img src="http://www.catsailor.com/forums/images/graemlins/tongue.gif" alt="" />



One-design may be good for the Olympics, but is incredibly boring. Intelligence and improvement require more space. The most politically correct one-design would be the Optimist. The youngest athletes in the games would deserve a lot of media attention.

The Chupacabra reminds me of Eric Tabarly. His open minded developments made him the greatest rule optimizer/bender. The Fastnet winning schooner with an enormous genoa between the masts forced a rule update. The depleted uranium keel forced another one, and the water ballasted solo transpac another. His hydrofoil tri motivated the categorization (does this word exist?) of the transatlantic record to separate monohulls from multihulls. The sea lawyers really had to run to keep up with his pace.

None remembers the sea lawyers who fixed the rules after his inovations (and achievements) - but all sailors remember the great man.

The Chupacabra is an innovation that Tabarly could have created. He would have loved it. The initiative is admirable of those who developed the sail, as is the courage of those who dared use it. Wining or not.

Cheers,


Well Said Luiz!
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Re: Aaron and Mark [Re: Tornado] #152213
08/21/08 09:44 AM
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One-design may be good for the Olympics, but is incredibly boring.


For those who are primarily interested in sailboat technology perhaps OD is boring. For those of us who are interested in the art and science of sailboat racing OD is definitely not boring.

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