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recommended small light catamaran #158414
10/27/08 09:35 PM
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I am looking for a small, light catamaran which is fast and relatively light. And that I can buy used.
Have thought of a Hobie 14 but am looking for something a little faster? A Nacra 5.0? Suggestions?


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Re: recommended small light catamaran [Re: rfarson] #158419
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Depends on where you are and your definitions of "small" and "light"-
I have a Hobie 14turbo and owned a Nacra 5.0 for 17 years. The Hobie is >100lbs. less than my 5.0 was and 2 foot smaller. For one person the 14 is great- not good for 2 (adult) people IMO while the 5.0 is good for one person (except racing- number sucks!) and great for two (IMO again). My Taipan 4.9 weighs less than my Turbo and is great for one or two but you could buy at least one of each turbo and 5.0 for price of a good 4.9. An Isotope 16 or Cheshire 14 are both light, small boats but unless you are in NC/SC area you won't see any- Mosquitos are great little boats and popular in Aus and South Africa but very rare in US. Lightest cats are "A" class cats- 165lbs. if 90's up- but they are definitely more of a "racing machine" and 18 feet long with 30' mast but only 7'6" wide. If you are new to cats I would recommend a good 14turbo or straight 14- if you learn to tack a 14 w/o jib (boat I learned on!) in any conditions you can tack any cat that can be tacked plus they are tough, fairly common, and relatively economical. Once you get good on it, and if you find you often get a chance to take crew out, you may want to "move up" to one of the other options.

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Re: recommended small light catamaran [Re: rfarson] #158422
10/28/08 01:28 AM
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Re: recommended small light catamaran [Re: fin.] #158430
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Unless you are light, forget about the Hobie 14 and think about a Hobie 16. Hobie 14 do not support more than one adult, and a light one only. Hobie 16 are a little overpowered for one person, but manageable.

In the small cats category you have the Wave or the Dart 15, both good boats, rotomolded, indestructible, but heavy. They both can do 2 adults as well.

The Nacra 5.0 or 500 is longer, more powerful, still manageable with 1 crew, but capable of 2. Heavy however.

I personally don't like the Hobie 17, but some people do. This could also be an option.

An old Nacra 5.2 is a lot of boat, but a bunch of us did/are sailing this boat alone. But be prepared: it is hard to get back on its feet by yourself after a capsize. But those are fairly cheap and really robust, they take upgrades really well (spinaker!). Also, come with daggerboards, not the ideal if sailing in shallow water.

In the light cat category A class are *really* light, but those are formula one boat: expensive, light, fragile, highly technical, racing only, one crew only. And at 18" long, with a 9.5 meter long mast I'm not sure if it qualify for "small". This said, for recreational sailing, an old non competitive A class is a lot of value for not a lot of money.

The Formula 16 (and Taipan 4.9, there are some in the classified) are light lively boats which can fit one or two people (but not two big blokes). Ideal for around the can racing and fun sail. But I'm biased, I own one.

Hobie FX-one are fun boats too, F16 are lighter, but still ood value for money.

And there are more... Please tell us where you are and what usage you will have. Racing? Jumping waves and reaching back and forth with the windsurfers? Day trip to nearby islands? This should be taken into consideration before making a recommendation really.

Re: recommended small light catamaran [Re: pepin] #158433
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I love it how he asks about a Hobie 14 and a Nacra 5.0 and immediately the next logical leap for you people is ... F16!!!!


Re: recommended small light catamaran [Re: pepin] #158438
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Thanks for all the great recommendations! I will mainly be sailing on inland lakes - I live near St. Louis - so the wind is rather light most of the time! I am a bit older (55) but strong and light - I weigh about 160. I like the idea of the H 14 since it is light. But will definitely look into the F-16 and the Taipan 4.9....
Seems like there is a bit of a hole for small, light cats!


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Re: recommended small light catamaran [Re: rfarson] #158440
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You might look into the Nacra 4.5 as well.



Re: recommended small light catamaran [Re: rfarson] #158441
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Dart 18.
Light at 290 lb. Sails great uni or sloop, one person or two. Great price for used ones if you can find one.


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Re: recommended small light catamaran [Re: rfarson] #158451
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Originally Posted by rfarson
Thanks for all the great recommendations! I will mainly be sailing on inland lakes - I live near St. Louis - so the wind is rather light most of the time! I am a bit older (55) but strong and light - I weigh about 160. I like the idea of the H 14 since it is light. But will definitely look into the F-16 and the Taipan 4.9....
Seems like there is a bit of a hole for small, light cats!

A F-16 is supposed to be lighter (230) than a H14 (240), but in the real world this won't make much of a difference.

With your weight you will not have any buoyancy problem on a H14, unlike me! However I think a H14 will be boring in light wind, you need plenty of wind to make a 14 alive.

The Dart 18 suggested is also a good alternative, weight a little more than the H14, is way longer, but is is simpler than a F16 and can probably be found cheaper. some people like the "classic" look of it as well, I personally do not.

Also some of the listed boat have spinnakers (F16, Taipan, Nacra 500), some could be equipped with one (Dart 18, Nacra 5.2) and some are too fragile to be retrofitted (H14, H17, A Class). IMHO in light winds an asymmetric is a good thing to have!

Have fun choosing, form your own opinion, ignore the naysayers. The goal is to have fun!

Re: recommended small light catamaran [Re: pepin] #158457
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A price range would be helpful. There's a considerable difference between the a H14 and a Taipan.

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Re: recommended small light catamaran [Re: rfarson] #158460
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rfarson,

There's an '81 Prindle 15, near Tulsa, on ebay right now. Jump on this boat! Ends in 9 hours. When new at least, they weigh 260 pounds. I don't think, in this price range, you'll find any boat that compares, performance and weight wise. The DP-N rates these just a few tenths slower than a Hobie 16! It has a single trapeze, rotating mast, great fun. This particular boat includes a Prindle 16 jib. Only drawback I've encountered with mine is some rear beam slap when taking my wife for a ride, in big air.

Nice, small, light, catamarans grin

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Re: recommended small light catamaran [Re: rfarson] #158464
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A Sea Spray would fit your criteria quite nicely. Faster, lighter, and probably cheaper than a Hobie 14. I've also had a H14 turbo and a N5.0. The 14 was a dog compared to the 5.0 but was lighter and easier to manage.


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Re: recommended small light catamaran [Re: rfarson] #158482
10/28/08 01:58 PM
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If you enjoy 1 up sailing,a 20'2",digger boards, mast weighing in at less then 25lbs. and speed upwind like a larger cat (H-16 etc.) take a look at a Sea Spray 15. The boat sails fast, resest pitchpoling,very forgiving in heavy air, and at 180 to 200 lbs. full up, can be had for far less then a H-14. They normally come as a std. halyard rig with jib, but are also raced with a sock rigs. Pictures and info can be found on both this and other sites like Canadian Sea Spray .org

Good luck and any in any case, Enjoy the art of sailing

Re: recommended small light catamaran [Re: rfarson] #158514
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Re: recommended small light catamaran [Re: arbo06] #158520
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Check out the built-in dolly on the trailer.

Click on slide show under "Trailer with Dolly Built-In"

Cheshire Rigging

That's the way to launch a cat and protect the hulls.


Re: recommended small light catamaran [Re: SurfCityRacing] #158521
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There are still a number of older A-cats around. I got a wooden one (Cal Fuller 200 pounds) for $1000. It whups all the Hobies around the bouys (stated as an old Hobie racer). I have had more fun with it than years of beach cat racing, and sometimes it supports a Hobie18SX spinnaker, and sometimes hydrofoils. (see my avatar).


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Re: recommended small light catamaran [Re: dacarls] #158555
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This is a lot of great information - looks like I have some exploring to do. Thanks for all your help!


~~~Ron
Re: recommended small light catamaran [Re: rfarson] #158560
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You said lake boat.... what is the water depth like? If shallow, this will rule out some great, optimal light air boats like A-class/A-cat boats because they need dagger boards and don't normally have rudders that kickup automatically.

If you have the water depth and the skill, there are almost no other catamarans that are really fun in 5-10 knots of wind other than an A-cat of any age. On the opposite side, an H14 is completely indestructible but for me is completely frustrating due to difficult slower speed manuverability in winds less than 18 knots. Prindles, Waves and Nacras of the smaller sizes are probably good compromises.

Re: recommended small light catamaran [Re: mayhem] #158585
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I sail in a large lake so daggerboards should not be a problem. Can A-Cats be found used in the U.S.?

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~~~Ron
Re: recommended small light catamaran [Re: rfarson] #158599
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Originally Posted by rfarson
Can A-Cats be found used in the U.S.?
There are two in the classified, but they are relatively recent ('99 and '00) and still in the 7-8 thousand range... Wooden A class are older, way cheaper, but fairly rare: Class A is a platform in constant evolution, homebuilders usually evolved their boat instead of building new ones, changing the mast one year, the hulls the other and so on.

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