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Re: uni vs sloop [Re: Karl_Brogger] #158889
10/31/08 05:42 PM
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Originally Posted by Karl_Brogger
Sweet baby jesus, what is wrong with you guys? 14 pages for a simple question...
Change oyur preferences, it's only 5 pages for me smile

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Re: uni vs sloop [Re: Karl_Brogger] #158892
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Originally Posted by Karl_Brogger
Sweet baby jesus, what is wrong with you guys? 14 pages for a simple question... Attacks on just the stupidist stuff to boot.


This is really "The Test" in stealth mode. Besides, Ding won't let me talk about petroleum... or politics.

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Re: uni vs sloop [Re: fin.] #158893
10/31/08 06:17 PM
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I mis-spelled stupidest. Who's stupid now?! LOL

Re: uni vs sloop [Re: Karl_Brogger] #158895
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Karl, unless you fully understand what the underlying issue is, and you don't because it's a local issue, you can't begin to understand why and who, we are talking about, and just how stupid that protest was. It's too bad some people take it so seriously and want to ruin it for everyone else.


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Re: uni vs sloop [Re: Timbo] #158896
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Tim there was a protest? a real life protest? not a virtual protest, this is interesting.

Re: uni vs sloop [Re: Robi] #158899
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**** and mean spirited I don't even want to discuss it here. I was not involved but I really don't like the turn things have taken in a local "fun" type race, it's not -fun- when people pull that crap, and then they wonder why attendance is down.


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Re: uni vs sloop [Re: Timbo] #158902
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Thats fubared, they had to go behind the F16s back and cry to US Sailing? That is some serious chickenpoop. I was protested in this year's alter cup by Nigel Pitt. His argument was I was "too close" to the race course. Talking to other sailors they all agreed I was not close at all, no one else bothered, but seeing how he was running for the top echelon and he did really shitty on that race he had to blame someone. This is the same race he had the collision with Mike Krants. He lost the protest against Mike and won against me, he got a redress.

Absolute BS in my opinion, when all other sailors that were in front of Nigel clearly said I was fine, the sailors on the spectator boat said I was good and the fotos came out great.

But hey, you live and learn how to pick who is who on the water. For this reason you will NEVER EVER see me at spring fever. Sometimes protesting is a lame attempt to blame others for poor performance.

But then again, seeing how a majority of us here are not top notch sailors no one cares. More reason for me to just stop traveling when I got tons of GYC racing and I store my boat with the mast up.

Now I understand where you are coming from Timbo. I tried PMing you, but no joy.

Also isnt there a place we can read about this protest? Arent protest usually published and made public record?

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Re: uni vs sloop [Re: Robi] #158924
11/01/08 06:49 AM
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NOTICE TO F16 POSTERS:

Guys, this topic has had plenty of "air"...it's becoming unproductive.

Not to muzzle the discussion, but we need to take the high road. What's said is said, and what's done is done.

Let's focus on us (passionate sailors who choose the flexiblity of a platform capable of 1-up or 2-up sailing).

Our best action(s) are to grow our fleet [have FUN] and always race as a class. Then all of this discourse doesn't matter.

Stay focused and not get caught up in the "noise".

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Re: uni vs sloop [Re: tback] #158925
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I think you guys (F16 sailors) need to work out what you want.

If your boat's are so fast (ie as previously claimed many times, as quick as an F18) then why not be happy with the same rating? Yet I see that the rating given to the F16 is higher than the F18 for the upcoming area D event. So isn't that to your advantage?

If there is say another boat out there that is technically inferior and in theory slower than the F16 then why not be happy that it has a higher rating? It simply proves what you all have been raving on about for years. The slow, low tech boats are not as quick as the high tech super F16's?

As for changing crew, sail config etc. Its simple, you enter a regatta in one setup and you remain in that for the duration. If you want to do it any other way then go sail 12,14,16,18ft skiffs, they love changing sails, masts, crew whatever!

Now i'm not suggesting that this serious approach is needed at a club race but I think you need to be more seroius when you are at a regatta that has outcomes such as qualification for something else or a ranking series.

For all F18 class events in Holland the crews get weighed and any changes to crew or equipment are handled by the usual request procedure. Its not hard to stay within the rules is it?



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Re: uni vs sloop [Re: macca] #158926
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This is hilarious, and it hasn't involved Macca v Wouter. Guess the curse of being an internet created class by community census? (Hope I got proved wrong in the long run)

Re: uni vs sloop [Re: macca] #158928
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so are you saying that these f16 are not handicaped correcttly and they want different rules then everyone else? is this a benifiet for me as a new cat sailor,or should i stay away from this sort of thing.


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Re: uni vs sloop [Re: new guy] #158929
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Originally Posted by new guy
so are you saying that these f16 are not handicaped correcttly and they want different rules then everyone else? is this a benifiet for me as a new cat sailor,or should i stay away from this sort of thing.


ok... now I think this guy is BS

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Re: uni vs sloop [Re: PTP] #158931
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sorry just asking questions as some times what i see here is very confusing to me as new sailor. is this the wrong place to ask for help? i said it the other day why are you guys so angry. is this like a frat hazing i must go thru?


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Re: uni vs sloop [Re: new guy] #158932
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Originally Posted by new guy
sorry just asking questions as some times what i see here is very confusing to me as new sailor. is this the wrong place to ask for help? i said it the other day why are you guys so angry. is this like a frat hazing i must go thru?


First off I'm not a F16 guy, I think its a smart platform and an appealing idea, many on here know that anyway. I just asked the question, as I said in the first post, out of curiousity.

You aren't being hazed, but your questions have a bit of "troll" vibe to them. If you are geniune and not one of the critics who just comes here to nag on people like Macca does, just with a new username you'll get the information you're looking for.


The handicap system isn't for you, its for the boat. It doesn't matter how good of a sailor you are or aren't the handicap number for the boat does not change.

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Originally Posted by new guy
so are you saying that these f16 are not handicaped correcttly and they want different rules then everyone else? is this a benifiet for me as a new cat sailor,or should i stay away from this sort of thing.


US sailing (or what ever the Portsmouth admin team are called) set the handicap not the F16 fleet in the US.


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Re: uni vs sloop [Re: macca] #158934
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Originally Posted by macca
As for changing crew, sail config etc. Its simple, you enter a regatta in one setup and you remain in that for the duration. If you want to do it any other way then go sail 12,14,16,18ft skiffs, they love changing sails, masts, crew whatever!

Now i'm not suggesting that this serious approach is needed at a club race but I think you need to be more seroius when you are at a regatta that has outcomes such as qualification for something else or a ranking series.





Macca, could not agree more.

It sounds (to me) that someone is taking it way too seriously and created a local issue....



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Re: uni vs sloop [Re: scooby_simon] #158966
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Spot on! The issue is whether or not a father can take his child (about 40 lbs.) sailing! On day one the father opted to sail uni for a down wind run that resulted in some carnage. The following day, the father added the jib, picked up his son and beat upwind for the return leg and was promptly protested! This event is a two day distance race, attended locally, and noted for the party.

The protestor in this case is none too popular with the A class members, where he usually races.

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Re: uni vs sloop [Re: fin.] #158967
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Well, if I was going to do a distance race and wanted the most advantage I would run solo for the downwind and throw a crew and jib on for the upwind.

I can easily see how people wern't so happy. Sure the intentions we honest but its hard to find a balance.


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Originally Posted by macca
Well, if I was going to do a distance race and wanted the most advantage I would run solo for the downwind and throw a crew and jib on for the upwind.

I can easily see how people wern't so happy. Sure the intentions we honest but its hard to find a balance.


Fine. Please stay in Australia.

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Not in Australia.


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