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#158982 11/02/08 10:19 AM 11/02/08 10:19 AM |
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Posts: 2,718 St Petersburg FL | But I thought the bigger issue here was to do with the potential to change config for an Alter cup qualifier? That would appear to be a much bigger problem. That is not the main reason behind the gripe here. Someone is trying to make an example out of nothing and has left a sour taste in a good amount of sailors including folks from this individuals class. | | | Re: uni vs sloop
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#158984 11/02/08 10:38 AM 11/02/08 10:38 AM |
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Posts: 1,021 Australia | Ok Pete, then why are F16 entering an Alter cup qualifier? is that a "happy-goodtimes-lets have fun race"?
and is the Alter cup itself a happy, fun regatta like your 2 day cruise up and down the coast? I seem to remember F16's even being used in the Alter cup?
Or maybe I have missed it and F16 is actually just a class for people to simply sail on a social basis with no intention of proper racing at all? If thats the case why even bother with rules? Just have a "run what you brung" class and when the day is over you can all sit around the campfire and swap stories about how great the day was, simple hey!
Or even more to the point, why bother submitting your class rules to the ISAF conference in Madrid next week?
Some people take the weekend club race deadly serious, others go to a Worlds to relax and have some fun. But you can't be the one to judge then for their approach to an event.
If their behaviour is unreasonable to you but within the rules then I guess you just have to suck it up and deal with it. Or go play elsewhere.
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#158985 11/02/08 10:40 AM 11/02/08 10:40 AM |
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Posts: 3,528 Looking for a Job, I got credi... | Dude! You- "F18 Worlds".
Us-"happy-goodtimes-lets have fun race".
There's a difference. You don't seem to grasp it.
Pete, I think Macca does understand. Would the protest have happened if the change was not fron single handed to 2 up, but from light crew to heavy crew for the return upwind leg? I'd wager it would have happened. Did the father ask permission to make the crew change (from none to one)? Now, this maybe a fun race, but someone (the protestor) was obviously taking it seriously! If I had been in the same situation I would have done the following: 1, Submitted a request to change setup and crew for the return trip, I'd expect it to be denied. 2, Assuming it was denied, I would still sail the return trip with my son, but either not cross the finish line, or, cross the finish, get a time recorded and then retire and then by the person who was working out the results a beer to calculate where I would have finished. IT DOES sound like the protestor has taken this race way-to-seriously, but we live in a world where some people take EVERYTHING seriously. I would put it down to experience, maybe avoid the person involved and move on.
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#158987 11/02/08 10:45 AM 11/02/08 10:45 AM |
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Posts: 3,348 | . . . But you can't be the one to judge then for their approach to an event. . . But you can? I'm done. Rick! Where's the ignore button? | | | Re: uni vs sloop
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#158991 11/02/08 10:53 AM 11/02/08 10:53 AM |
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Posts: 1,021 Australia | Actually pete, im not judging them at all. I am simply pointing out their right to approach a regatta in whetever whay they feel appropriate.
It seems that maybe you don't get it...
Simply reading my post will tell you that I'm not condoning the reaction from this mystery person but I am backing their choice to approach the event in their own way as long as it's within the rules.
Now you want to use the "ignore" button to back out of a discussion that's not going your way?
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#158997 11/02/08 11:42 AM 11/02/08 11:42 AM |
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Posts: 6,049 Sebring, Florida. | Here's a serious question. Can a sailor who is not even sailing in the race, protest another sailor who is?
In the above scenario, the sailor filing the protest about the dad adding the son was not even out on the course, because 10 minutes into day 1 racing he busted his mast. He then protested the dad sailing Uni for getting help righting his boat, fair enough, we all know you can't get outside assistance. But then, on day 2, from the beach, protested adding the jib and kid, while another boat, left his spinnaker kit on the beach and was -not- protested.
How -fair- is that?
This was a personal vendetta type move, nothing more, and the last I heard, the protester has reconsidered and dropped his protests.
So maybe once he got home and cooled off he realized he was making a big deal out of nothing. Oh, the only reason the kid was not on board on day 1, he had a soccer game, nobody was trying to -go light- downwind and then heavy upwind.
Like I said, it's local, let it go. But, back to my original, serious, question, can a sailor who is not in the race but on the beach, file a protest against other sailors who are racing? And, if you were "flicked" on day 1, can you change your config. and race day 2?
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#159001 11/02/08 12:16 PM 11/02/08 12:16 PM |
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Posts: 2,921 Michigan | Moss is not going to win any sportsmanship awards. I think I could have disqualified them at the RTI for talking trash and literally saying they were someone else. Kind of wish I had tried.
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#159007 11/02/08 01:17 PM 11/02/08 01:17 PM |
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Posts: 3,528 Looking for a Job, I got credi... | The more I hear about this, the more it sounds like one person has thrown their toys out of the pram and is making a bit of a reputation for them selves and those protested should let it was over them and not worry about it. It's nowt to do with the F16 rules and all to do with one persons personal issues.
Walk away chaps....
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