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Re: n20 mast [Re: scooby_simon] #161222
11/23/08 04:56 PM
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C'mon Macca ,spill the beans.

Todd
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Re: n20 mast [Re: Team_Cat_Fever] #161224
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I think th weight difference is negligible, anyone who has lifted a N20 carbon mast knows its no featherweight! particularly if you have a Marstrom T mast next to it....


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Re: n20 mast [Re: macca] #161232
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I'm not that interested in the mast weight since I realize that the carbon one isn't that light, but I am worried about the fact that I just laid out $3000+ at the beginning of the year for a new main and spin - presumably going to be obsolete by this mast. If the bail is lower on the mast for a smaller chute, thats unacceptable.

Re: n20 mast [Re: macca] #161233
11/23/08 11:09 PM
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Originally Posted by macca
don't worry guys, the new alloy rig was tested properly before release

Andrew,
Tested by whom, . . . where, . . . when?


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Re: n20 mast [Re: P.M.] #161234
11/24/08 02:38 AM
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Pesumeably they are using the Infusion mast extrusion at required length.
It would be silly of them not to.



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Re: n20 mast [Re: phill] #161242
11/24/08 07:08 AM
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I don't think length is the spin bail issue,I doubt they'd shorten the mast. I'm guessing it's strength above the hounds, i.e. lower bail gets it closer to the supported section.There was word floating around awhile ago about double spreaders for support,but that's alot of weight aloft.
Todd


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Re: n20 mast [Re: Team_Cat_Fever] #161245
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Hoist height is the same guys, no change.

testing was done by Nacra Europe team.


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Re: n20 mast [Re: macca] #161250
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Karl,

In your note from them, did they offer any price estimate for a new N20 with this setup? Or prices for replacement aluminum stick, main and spin?

I liked the "idiot resistant (not idiot proof)" toughness of the carbon mast, but if the aluminum one is as tolerant, is recycleable, and cheaper.....

How did the wing shape affect the performance as seen by the testers? Would we be correct in presuming the mast rotation settings would be different?

And they need something other than a 10:1 mainsheet? Because of the taller mast?


Jay

Re: n20 mast [Re: waterbug_wpb] #161254
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ANNNDdddd, not to anyone in particular.... has a carbon 20 mast been successfully repaired?


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Re: n20 mast [Re: Chris9] #161258
11/24/08 11:33 AM
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New Alum mast pics up at velocitysailing.com

Big Thanks to Scott McCook from Singapore for sending them to me!

Re: n20 mast [Re: ThunderMuffin] #161263
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[Linked Image]

Where does that line go and what does it do that is going down into the board well?

Also I noticed the diamonds go into the mast here. I'm assuming the mast is sealed above that point? Where do those diamonds attach at the bottom? And how do you adjust diamond tension?

I hope this all works out. I'm very concerned about it.

I used to hoist that 6.0 and H20 mast and they were a lot heavier.

I also really hope that the hoist hieght is not changed on the spin. That would be really disappointing. Our current kite already uses the entire hoist hieght without an inch to spare.

Last edited by Mike Hill; 11/24/08 12:21 PM.

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Re: n20 mast [Re: Mike Hill] #161266
11/24/08 12:42 PM
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Look at pages 19 - 21 of the Infusion Assembly Manual to get your answers regarding the mast plug and how to change the diamond tension.

Nacra Infusion Assembly Guide


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Re: n20 mast [Re: Mike Hill] #161269
11/24/08 12:45 PM
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The diamonds appear to be setup just like the infusion mast...which is a really slick system. There is a foam plug above the diamond wire hole in the bottom of the mast to seal the rest of the mast. Diamond wire tension is adjusted with a big nut at the bottom of the mast...really easy, really slick. I really like having the rotation limiter down low too.

These developments are all coming out of the F18 class and it will be nice to have them on a 20.


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Re: n20 mast [Re: Jake] #161278
11/24/08 01:59 PM
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These developments are all coming out of the F18 class and it will be nice to have them on a 20.


Yeah, great for those of us that just blew a wad of cash on a new trampoline without the proper gromets to upgrade! :P

Re: n20 mast [Re: ThunderMuffin] #161279
11/24/08 02:30 PM
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Home is where the harness is.....
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Home is where the harness is.....
Gromits are easy to add....

Re: n20 mast [Re: Will_R] #161282
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Not when you have a tramp bag in the area where those grometts are supposed to go.

Re: n20 mast [Re: ThunderMuffin] #161300
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Home is where the harness is.....
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Home is where the harness is.....
Well, that's your own fault ;-)

Re: n20 mast [Re: Will_R] #161301
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Ahhh yes,

I forgot to invoke my innate clarivoyance and tell the sailmaker exactly how to make a new trampoline for a rotation system that neither of us had any idea was coming.

Re: n20 mast [Re: ThunderMuffin] #161303
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I do not understand all the complaining about the alu mast, for months now, a lot of people were discussing the high price of the carbon mast. now there is a new alu mast to overcome the problem and now this... i'm lost here

Re: n20 mast [Re: Kennethsf] #161304
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How often are you guys breaking masts?



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