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Re: n20 mast [Re: ThunderMuffin] #161305
11/24/08 05:35 PM
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Can you use your old rotator system on the new mast? Seems like you could with a little "tweaking".


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Re: n20 mast [Re: hokie] #161306
11/24/08 05:48 PM
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I do not understand all the complaining about the alu mast, for months now, a lot of people were discussing the high price of the carbon mast. now there is a new alu mast to overcome the problem and now this... i'm lost here


personally I'm upset because it doesn't appear that they made ANY effort to find a different carbon mast supplier that could supply the SAME mast for a more reasonable cost that wouldn't obsolete every sail in my inventory!

Re: n20 mast [Re: Kennethsf] #161308
11/24/08 06:04 PM
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Originally Posted by Kennethsf
I do not understand all the complaining about the alu mast, for months now, a lot of people were discussing the high price of the carbon mast. now there is a new alu mast to overcome the problem and now this... i'm lost here

If you've got a Ferrari with an engine problem do you replace said engine with a prius engine.
Masts don't get broken often but for most of us the thought of $11,000 for a new one limits how hard your willing to push it.
I have no problem with the Aluminum mast if all you have to change is the main, as long as it's competitive. I only have 4 I-20 mains that would be useless, which kinda sucks ,but I can replace all my mains and the mast for less than the carbon mast.I guess I can make duffle bags out of 'em. We'll see what shakes out, if it lowers the price of the boat, stays as fast, and gets more people sailing them it's a good thing.
Todd
p.s. Tad, your fortune telling skills suck. You shoulda just asked Will! And Tad Jack said he made an effort to find a builder, I just don't know how much effort.


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Re: n20 mast [Re: Team_Cat_Fever] #161311
11/24/08 06:22 PM
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Home is where the harness is.....
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Home is where the harness is.....
As usual, I was being a smart @ss....

Re: n20 mast [Re: Will_R] #161313
11/24/08 06:43 PM
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Go figger.


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The cure for anything is salt water - sweat, tears, or the sea
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If a man is to be obsessed by something.... I suppose a boat is as good as anything... perhaps a bit better than most.
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Re: n20 mast [Re: Team_Cat_Fever] #161316
11/24/08 08:26 PM
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Guys, a LOT of effort was made to source a new builder, but with projected volumes and tight requirements on the built spec to maintain the same bend and weight as current masts its just not a viable option. Trust me it was explored to the full.

The Alloy mast is a great option, the grade of alloy used and the weight for size is much better that in use from any other manufacturer and the only real change is to the mainsail but how many times do you break a mast and not destroy the mainsail?? plus if you have 4 old mains lying around (not that you us them much..) you can simply change the luff curve and they will work just fine. (as well as old sails will anyway for club races etc)

Plus you get the nice infusion style setup with the diamonds and cunningham etc


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Re: n20 mast [Re: macca] #161317
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Thanks for the information Andrew,
Is there a new mainsail cut or are you using the old stock setup? . . . and, in testing, have you raced the alloy rig against the classic carbon? If so, how much? Again thanks for the updates.


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Re: n20 mast [Re: P.M.] #161319
11/24/08 08:50 PM
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Have I-20s always had carbon mast?

Re: n20 mast [Re: macca] #161320
11/24/08 08:54 PM
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How much does it weigh.... how much more then the carbon stick..... Is it on par with the Tornado tear drop alu stick of old or closer to the back breaking nacra 6.0 NA stick ?

(you need to know when to run when they ask for help in raising the stick)


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Re: n20 mast [Re: FLL] #161321
11/24/08 08:57 PM
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Originally Posted by FLL
Have I-20s always had carbon mast?


Si!


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Re: n20 mast [Re: Team_Cat_Fever] #161322
11/24/08 09:00 PM
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Really, I believe mine is alum. from southern spars.

Re: n20 mast [Re: Team_Cat_Fever] #161323
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Really, I think mine is alum. and from southern spars.

Re: n20 mast [Re: FLL] #161325
11/24/08 09:14 PM
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Unless your boat is an '09 or a non-class boat, then your mast is carbon. And yes, Southern Spars did make our stick.

Re: n20 mast [Re: ThunderMuffin] #161328
11/24/08 09:22 PM
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Humm, it's a '04 It thumps like alum and scratches like it and even drills like it. Maybe I got cheated by the dealer.

Re: n20 mast [Re: P.M.] #161332
11/24/08 09:29 PM
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Originally Posted by mummp
Thanks for the information Andrew,
Is there a new mainsail cut or are you using the old stock setup? . . . and, in testing, have you raced the alloy rig against the classic carbon? If so, how much? Again thanks for the updates.


Th mainsail cut was changed to suit the new style mast, but it would be possible to recut the luff curve on an old sail to get it to work pretty well with the new mast.

testing as done with old v's new and the difference was negligible pretty much straight away.


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Re: n20 mast [Re: Mark Schneider] #161344
11/25/08 12:15 AM
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Originally Posted by Mark Schneider
How much does it weigh.... how much more then the carbon stick..... Is it on par with the Tornado tear drop alu stick of old or closer to the back breaking nacra 6.0 NA stick ?

(you need to know when to run when they ask for help in raising the stick)


I'm assuming that the extrusion is the same as on the Nacra Infusion...and if that is the case, I would not be surprised if the mast is nearly the same weight as the current carbon mast. Nacra made a huge reduction in the aluminum mast weight with the Infusion. The carbon mast on the I20 is very heavy compared to modern carbon laminations....it's old school carbon.


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Re: n20 mast [Re: Jake] #161349
11/25/08 02:22 AM
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I haven't weighed them both together personally, but from carrying them around and raising them there is no difference really.


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Re: n20 mast [Re: Chris9] #161364
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has a carbon 20 mast been successfully repaired?


yes.

Re: n20 mast [Re: macca] #161365
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I think Mike Krantz told me it was less than 10 lbs. difference.I do like the section shape better,lot more chord length.It'll be interesting to see the price.
Todd


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Re: n20 mast [Re: bvining] #161366
11/25/08 07:39 AM
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Cool. Could you elaborate?


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