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Wouter? #163685
12/30/08 08:55 AM
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What did you guys do to him? Haven't seen him on here in a month.

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Re: Wouter? [Re: Karl_Brogger] #163688
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Dont worry,... he is in my basement. grin crazy

Re: Wouter? [Re: Tony_F18] #163692
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Davy Jones's Locker has a basement? smile

Re: Wouter? [Re: Karl_Brogger] #163699
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I saw him post on the main board a couple days ago. See? You complain about him posting so much and then miss him when he doesn't. grin


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Re: Wouter? [Re: Timbo] #163730
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No he is still writing up some long post refuting something. Just going to be a lot longer than normal...

Re: Wouter? [Re: taipanfc] #163731
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Or he just ran out of pompous pontifications and just expired.

Or some whacky Austrian (not Australian) sex fiend kidnapped him and he's ended up in the proverbial basement.

Re: Wouter? [Re: Phile] #163814
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I want Wouter to return, refreshed and reinvigorated by his abscence, 2009 the year of Wouters return ( well it is good fun when he gets going telling the world how it should or shouldn't be ) cool

Re: Wouter? [Re: waynemarlow] #163843
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Or maybe he went sailing? That would be a change.

Re: Wouter? [Re: Karl_Brogger] #163845
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you guys are really something....

Re: Wouter? [Re: PTP] #163916
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It's been my observation that Wouter is correct a LARGE/Overwhelming percentage of the time w/ his well researched and well thought-out points-of-view. Everytime I disagree w/ Wouter when I take the time to think over his points I have reached the conclussion that Wouter was/is correct and I hadn't thought the problem/issue completely through .... and of course no-one (w/ an ego, especially me) wants to admitt that they were/are wrong.

Wouter, May your holidays be full of Happiness, Friendship, Good Food and some excellent Madeira. Travel Safe ... until we hear from you again ....

HarryMurphey

Re: Wouter? [Re: HMurphey] #163922
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I think W has personal issues? He could be wise to take up other interests like poetry for instance!!


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And whats wrong with poetry ?

www.authorsden.com

Go to J and scroll down to Tony Jenkins and 72 of mine are there to be read.


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Re: Wouter? [Re: Karl_Brogger] #163952
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I think I have been away for longer then that Karl.

And I think I will remain "away" for considerably longer still.

I still read the forums once in a while.

Happy new year to all and best of succes in whatever you guys are occupied with in daily life.

Wouter


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Re: Wouter? [Re: Wouter] #164140
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I tried sending you a PM, but your box was full.

Re: Wouter? [Re: Karl_Brogger] #164143
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Sorry Karl,

I've kept my inbox full to avoid receiving any more catsailor mail. Also with the forum software upgrade I have to "loose" over 100 mails in order to get below the upper limit and I really didn't have the taste to sort through all these mails to find out which can go and what should be archived.

Please use my normal mail account if you want to contact me.

Wouterhijink(at)hotmail.com

With kind regards,

Wouter


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A healthy and prosperous New Year to you. Stay in touch.

Re: Wouter? [Re: Wouter] #169124
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You know, Karl, I want Wouter back for a while for some insight into the numbers and quality of the FX One is Europe.

How does it compare with the F16. Both are one-up, wave-piercing. How many of them in Europe? Is the F16 hotter?

Woot for Wouter! I got your back, man. What is happening?


Re: Wouter? [Re: JJ_] #169278
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You know, Karl, I want Wouter back for a while for some insight into the numbers and quality of the FX One is Europe.

How does it compare with the F16. Both are one-up, wave-piercing. How many of them in Europe? Is the F16 hotter?

Woot for Wouter! I got your back, man. What is happening?



Okay, I'll bite this time.

Here are my personal views on the FX-one class in Europe. In the pst I would dig up Europeans and National results and provide references to them. But this time I'll allow myself only to provide an update on the latest results, those of the 2008 Europeans. The rest I'll provide from memory and you can research the validaty of that yourself using google.

One thing always pisses me off though, Hobie typically only names the first 3 placings of each class and never names the total number of participants. Therefor one always has to dig deep to get the full results and know how many were there.

http://hobieracing.dk/2008multi/results/08fxone.htm

Looking over the results you'll find 5 boats racing (3xGER, 2xNED ,1xSUI) in Denmark 2008 of which the two Dutch boats never entered a single race. So bsically only 4 boats raced. It is my memory that this is pretty typical for the FX-one class over the years. I believe the FX-one class had the largest fleets when the Europeans were held in Spain (Cagnas 2005?) or France (2006). There were some 11 boats registered then. Typically these results included 5 Dutch boat of 4 sailors are from the same club in Noordwijk and (way) past 50 years old. At that time, Hobie would also quote the birthdates of FX-one crews and I remember two of them being from the 1940's. Actually, Tony Mels and someother guy whose nameI can't remember now are/were by far the youngest sailors in the Dutch FX-one class. Tony has now switched to the F18 class and I don't see Dirk Zwitser turn up at these events anymore (he typically wins them), but even he is close to or past 50 now. Stealth Sailors in the UK report that the FX-one class is dead overthere when it went downhill right after our combined F16/FX-one event back in 2003 I believe. I have never seen signs of it having recovered overthere. I have no intimate knowlegde of the France FX-one fleet or that of other EU nations Although I do know that no boats are to be found in Nations like Norway, Sweden, Finland were there are F16's to be found.

With European results like that, I feel that the F16 class could have called several European championships already. Heck a good number of club races at my home club attracted as many racers. But my personal opinion is that any fleet having less then 10 boats racing is not a Worlds or Europeans.

I'm not sure how many there are in Europe so I have to guess about it. Personally I would expect between 50 and 100 boats.

With respect of the FX-one class racing, I think the average skill level is now higher in the F16 class. In that sense and design wise I truly believe the F16 class is hotter then the FX-one (or nacra 17 for that matter).

The developments in the F16 class are ongoing with the VWM Falcon being the newest installment.And I truly feel that the F16 designers and builders are inputting past experience into their new products, so with each new iteration the boats become better. The FX-one design is getting on in life and hasn't nearly seen the same amount of development. Maybe the icat is going to change that but rumour has it that it won't be qualifiable as a FX-one anyway so ...

Having said all this I think the F16 class could do better in Europe, but maybe we have got to give some more time. Afterall, there is an economic downturn to take into account and sailboats are luxury products by definition.

Wouter




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Re: Wouter? [Re: Wouter] #169281
02/24/09 06:19 AM
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Maybe a small correction for Finland, I have the feeling that there are more FX One around than F16. Valtteri may know the exact number.
Finland is a Hobie country and there seems to be no way to change that frown

Re: Wouter? [Re: Wouter] #169418
02/25/09 12:11 AM
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Wouter, did you realize that "woot" means a "celebratory exclamation" in American slang? Also that the word hijinks refers to "boisterous celebration"? That would make the root of Wouter Hijinks a celebratory exclamation in a boisterous celebration.

Anyway, thanks for the feedback.

As much as I lusted over a F16, a deal came along on an FX that I couldn't refuse.

At any rate, I did some poking at FX history and noticed that Hobie stated sales at over 1,000 boats. How many made it over here is hard to tell.

It appears to me that the FX somewhat pioneered the wave-piercing bow and the one-up design. It did those things before the F16 did those things. That so?

Also, what is the deal with the FX's portsmouth ratings compared with F16? F16 has less sail area? All this to ask how is it that the FX appears to somewhat stranded between the 16 designs and the 17 designs. At least so it seems.

I like this boat. I hope parts support stays around a good while, although it appears that maybe a shakeout is imminent. (I thought I heard Mr. Obama in tonight's speech say that he guaranteed my FX would be supported unconditionally no matter how unpromising the future...)


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