[...]the appartment we were in didn't allow kids.[...]
Hu? How that even possible? Who's enforcing this, the landlord? Let me guess: there are also policies against pets, noises after 8pm, loud sex at anytime and parking a cat in the car park?
The landlord can make any rule(s) about the property they wish to. As long as it's in the signed lease and consistent for all tenants, then it's not discrimination and is also enforceable in the courts.
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Re: If you were in my shoes?
[Re: blockp]
#175389 04/20/0912:29 PM04/20/0912:29 PM
The landlord can make any rule(s) about the property they wish to. As long as it's in the signed lease and consistent for all tenants, then it's not discrimination and is also enforceable in the courts.
Throw you out because you get prego?
BAaaahhhhhhh (humbug)... even a signed lease wouldn't allow your civil liberties to be violated... i would bet a good attorney could successfully argue (and win) a case against such a "clause" in a lease.
Re: If you were in my shoes?
[Re: tami]
#175391 04/20/0912:50 PM04/20/0912:50 PM
I just can't understand chix who marry a guy and then go about trying to change him. <snip>
I have made that very point to a couple of 'sailing widows' at regattas, girl comes up looking for sympathy for being left on the beach, don't get nuthin' from me. Go shopping, girl. You get the guy, you get the baggage. Vicey versy.
<snip> Marriage is about compromise, right? You EACH should be able to engage in activity outside the family duties or there will be bitterness.
Tami, for the above quotes, I will from now on always like you.
I just can't understand chix who marry a guy and then go about trying to change him. <snip>
I have made that very point to a couple of 'sailing widows' at regattas, girl comes up looking for sympathy for being left on the beach, don't get nuthin' from me. Go shopping, girl. You get the guy, you get the baggage. Vicey versy.
<snip> Marriage is about compromise, right? You EACH should be able to engage in activity outside the family duties or there will be bitterness.
Tami, for the above quotes, I will from now on always like you.
There's more reasons than that.
"I said, now, I said ,pay attention boy!"
The cure for anything is salt water - sweat, tears, or the sea Isak Dinesen If a man is to be obsessed by something.... I suppose a boat is as good as anything... perhaps a bit better than most. E. B. White
I just can't understand chix who marry a guy and then go about trying to change him. <snip>
I have made that very point to a couple of 'sailing widows' at regattas, girl comes up looking for sympathy for being left on the beach, don't get nuthin' from me. Go shopping, girl. You get the guy, you get the baggage. Vicey versy.
<snip> Marriage is about compromise, right? You EACH should be able to engage in activity outside the family duties or there will be bitterness.
Tami, for the above quotes, I will from now on always like you.
"Do or do not. There is no try." - Yoda "Excuses are the tools of the weak and incompetent" - Two sista's I overheard in the hall "You don't have to be a brain surgeon to be a complete idiot, but it helps"
Y'all comments really made me feel better. Especially since I'm nursing a phenomenally, EXCRUCIATINGLY, painful hardhead catfish spine impalement to my left leg. Note to self: watch husband carefully as he brings in fish.
Sumbitch (fish, not husband) IS going in the oven, this evening, after having been marinated in lemon juice.
FWIW, sorry for the hijack, but I have learned something about hardheads: they taste like other catfish, so if you like catfish, don't just kill 'em and throw 'em away. Cut the head off, gut the fish, but leave the skin on. Scrub the slime off with one of those 3m scouring pads. Doing it this way makes cleaning much easier.
I like 'em baked, flesh comes right off the skin, just like salmon. I expect that a panfry would crisp the skin Asian style and that would be pretty good too.
Re: If you were in my shoes?
[Re: tami]
#175402 04/20/0901:45 PM04/20/0901:45 PM
I just can't understand chix who marry a guy and then go about trying to change him. <snip>
I have made that very point to a couple of 'sailing widows' at regattas, girl comes up looking for sympathy for being left on the beach, don't get nuthin' from me. Go shopping, girl. You get the guy, you get the baggage. Vicey versy.
<snip> Marriage is about compromise, right? You EACH should be able to engage in activity outside the family duties or there will be bitterness.
Tami, for the above quotes, I will from now on always like you.
yeah, she's a keeper.
Amen, known this girl for over 11 year (internet only, unfortunately), she's the real deal. One of these days I'll get to meet her in person.
Re: If you were in my shoes?
[Re: hobiephil]
#175448 04/20/0905:17 PM04/20/0905:17 PM
Tami, is there any chance you could think about running a 3day "Sailor's Wife Camp"? It could feature healthy attitude adjustment for abandoned wives. Mine claims she spent a lot of time crying while I was "off sailing in regattas"- tho I still have her. AND she was REAL friendly this morning.
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Dacarls: A-class USA 196, USA 21, H18, H16 "Nothing that's any good works by itself. You got to make the damn thing work"- Thomas Edison
Re: If you were in my shoes?
[Re: hobiephil]
#175449 04/20/0905:35 PM04/20/0905:35 PM
Hey, guys, I agree with absolutely everything Tami said.
However, this can work both ways. In my family, it was my sister who was the ardent racing sailor, and she gave it up when she married her husband, a wrestling coach. They had a couple of children. She went to all of his wrestling meets and totally supported him in his teaching career. But there was no hobby or sport that they did together.
I don't think she ever would have thought of saying anything about missing sailing. So one night many years ago at Put-in-Bay Rick got them both drunk and convinced them that Betty had to get back into sailing and that Dick had to be part of it. At the same time Rick sold them his old, beat-up Tornado.
The next morning Dick woke up and asked Betty, "Did I dream this, or did we buy a boat last night?"
Well, Betty trained Dick to become an excellent crew, and they have been racing together ever since. It's not a sport he would have chosen, and maybe not one he even enjoys that much. But it makes him happy to make his wife happy.
They helped organize and run a sailing club, they got an old Prindle for their kids to learn to sail on. So another generation learned to love sailing.
Thanks to Dick taking up his wife's sport, at this point all four of us are racing Hobie Waves against each other, and they and their daughter are now introducing the grandchildren to sailing, just as Rick and I are.
It's just an example of how marriage is a two-way street.
Re: If you were in my shoes?
[Re: dacarls]
#175450 04/20/0905:37 PM04/20/0905:37 PM
Have you boys thought about maybe sending the girls to a spa weekend or something while y'all go race, or alternate weekend?
Here in Miz'sippi we have the casinos, so the beach widows tend to go gambling, or since NOLA is close they can go shop or hang out in the Quarter. One year for Round the Island a gang of us girls followed the guys around Santa Rosa I. by land, barhopping along the way. That was fun, even though I was missing racing myself. We brought food to a prearranged stop for one of our race teams, it was quite the fire drill, with much flinging of Taco Bell bags off a dock.
I do kinda find it hard to relate to spending time crying just cause the other half is at a race. Like I've said above, my perception is a bit colored from my childhood experiences. I'm not bullsh!tting y'all about that. I'm absolutely sure that my Mama would have just been on her knees thankful if my sire (can't call him father) was into some sort of sport. Please feel free to use my example if you like. something like, "Look, I could be a career drunk womanizer, but nooooo, I go sailing."
Now on the other hand, y'all might want to have a hard look in the mirror, too. I mean, does the other half get to go and do? Are the family duties biased? Maybe take a page from JW, what's that quote from O Brother? 'look to JW for your paradigm of hope."
Re: If you were in my shoes?
[Re: tami]
#175454 04/20/0906:14 PM04/20/0906:14 PM
[/quote] Amen, known this girl for over 11 year (internet only, unfortunately), she's the real deal. One of these days I'll get to meet her in person. [/quote]
Yep, she's the real deal (excellent crew if you can get her off the helm) I miss you guys Tami! Ya'll need to come west, lake house is done, boat (cat) lift is going in soon. I'll host my own regatta soon.
Clayton
Re: If you were in my shoes?
[Re: Clayton]
#175522 04/21/0907:17 AM04/21/0907:17 AM
Hi Clayton! You got pix of the camp? It's at Chenier au Tigre, right? Regatta, mais yeah man, we can do that... Do it, duude...
How's the guys at Lake Chuck? Did anyone over there ever get in touch with Tommy G. about Bob Young's Stiletto? Granger may also want to sell his Stiletto "High Heeled Shoe" stock boat.
Speaking of Stiletto... Tommy G. has just about done with that absolutely bada$$ modified Stiletto. We are hoping that Jay will get a chance for a ride for Memorial Day weekend over at Lake Travis TURNBACK regatta...
Re: If you were in my shoes?
[Re: Mary]
#175527 04/21/0907:25 AM04/21/0907:25 AM
Hey, guys, I agree with absolutely everything Tami said.
However, this can work both ways. In my family, it was my sister who was the ardent racing sailor, and she gave it up when she married her husband, a wrestling coach. They had a couple of children. She went to all of his wrestling meets and totally supported him in his teaching career. But there was no hobby or sport that they did together.
I don't think she ever would have thought of saying anything about missing sailing. So one night many years ago at Put-in-Bay Rick got them both drunk and convinced them that Betty had to get back into sailing and that Dick had to be part of it. At the same time Rick sold them his old, beat-up Tornado.
The next morning Dick woke up and asked Betty, "Did I dream this, or did we buy a boat last night?"
Well, Betty trained Dick to become an excellent crew, and they have been racing together ever since. It's not a sport he would have chosen, and maybe not one he even enjoys that much. But it makes him happy to make his wife happy.
They helped organize and run a sailing club, they got an old Prindle for their kids to learn to sail on. So another generation learned to love sailing.
Thanks to Dick taking up his wife's sport, at this point all four of us are racing Hobie Waves against each other, and they and their daughter are now introducing the grandchildren to sailing, just as Rick and I are.
It's just an example of how marriage is a two-way street.
It's a coincidence that I still get a kick out of - Mary's brother in-law was my high school coach and I knew him well (long before I knew anything about sailing catamarans). When he was coaching, he was an incredibly inspirational person who stood up for and inspired people from all walks of life. His coaching style was strict but completely approachable. He taught much more than wrestling in practice, and still managed to joke and have a great time with everyone while turning out a lot of state champions.
It may have been the Hobie 18 he setup during a PE class that set the bug in my brain that would develop 12 or 14 years later...who knows...but I do know that I was pretty shocked to discover this coincidence in 2002 when I went to Put-In-Bay with an old high school buddy to race my Nacra 5.2 during race week....and I got to race against (and be "over-served" in the evenings) with my high school coach and his wife Betty.
Jake Kohl
Re: If you were in my shoes?
[Re: Jake]
#175625 04/21/0908:07 PM04/21/0908:07 PM
Hi Jake, Hi Mary,Hi Everyone, I think I must comment on all of this. My husband Dick, as Mary said, is a high school wrestling coach, teacher and athletic director. From November to March our lives revolve around the wrestling schedule and lots of other activities at school. From May to October our lives revolve around sailing. When our two children were born (2 years apart)there was a period we did not sail. The ONLY reason was money. We had none. When Rick got Dick drunk and sold him his old Tornado, we were ready. We would pack up the kids, the dog, the babysitter and the boat to go almost every weekend to a regatta. The point being, I involved myself in whatever Dick was interested in AND Dick involved himself in whatever I was interested in = remember it works both ways. Women = either go sailing with your man or find something to do on shore that you enjoy. Men = do things with your women that they like OR watch the kids so she can go off to do her thing, whatever it is. I don't understand all the complaining - probably because Dick and I have found out how it works for us. As far as babies - congratulations - and remember they are coming into our life NOT us coming into their lives. After the first 8 weeks - believe me they will adapt to whatever livestyle you throw at them. Dick and I hauled our kids to all the wrestling matches, football games, track meets, and regattas in the rain, sleet and snow, from the age of 3 months and I don't think it hurt them in any way. OK so much for my two cents. BR - sit down and talk to your wife. You may be surprised.
I am in a similar situation, but for a different reason. Looking after children is not a subject anymore (17, 19, and 21 in the meantime), so I started my first steps into sailing a few years ago with my wife. In the meantime, she is more into yacht-sailing. I recruited new crew, and with two of them I am able to participate in races, but I bought a pretty old A-cat for the rare occasions I find nobody to sail with. Right now, I sometimes join my wife and her buddies on the yacht, and she joins me from time to time. So, my advice is: keep the F18 and buy an A-Cat. You're in Europe: the time to buy such a boat is better than ever. Due to the conversion to curved dagger boards, the prices for 5-8 year old boats (Flyers) are dropping dramatically. At least here in Germany ... Kai
F18: C2 / A-Cat: Minelli
Re: If you were in my shoes?
[Re: Wouter]
#175653 04/22/0902:46 AM04/22/0902:46 AM
This way sailing is a dream. You never have to phone around, just show up, and still get some doublehanded sailing in regulary. The latter is especially nice for long distance races. Basically, you'll keep all options open, even the one where the wife gets back into sailing. And you keep up your F18 sailing skills while extending it with a safe ( = solo righting !), fun (=fast) and practical (= ligtweight) singlehanding ability.
Personally, I would strongly suggest the F16's if you decide not to hang on to your F18.
Best regards,
Wouter
Taipan F16
Hi Wouter,
Thanks for the advice, F16 looks like a good option.
See you are located in NL. Going to Texel this year? I be there sailing with my brother.
If so let me know, I might want to have a look at your cat.
But you are always welcome to come take a look in Zandvoort. The importer for these boats (Viper and Blades) is also located there and he has some second hander F16's you can look at as well.
Note : The FCA Blade F16 has been sold recently, leaving the other 4 options. I know the history of all of these so if you ever want to known more about them. Just contact me.
Looking at my cat is fine, but remember that it is a homebuild. It is actually the prototype F16, the first boat commissioned according to the rule that was then newly developped. She was also used as a test platform for the first try at F16 specific components and due to some financial squeeze over the last years she is still fitted out as she was during early 2004. While I love her to bits, she may not be of demo quality anymore. But she still looks nice from a small distance as shown in the provided picture from the F16 Global Challenge 2007 (where I raced 1-up).
Ohh, before I forget. In the past, "looking at a boat" typically included having the interested party sailing her as well.
But we do have two other (commercially build) F16's at Zandvoort, that are alot newer. So maybe meet there later in the year ?
Best of luck and enjoyment at Texel !
Wouter
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Wouter Hijink Formula 16 NED 243 (one-off; homebuild) The Netherlands