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Re: Unwelcome.... re Waves [Re: brucat] #180964
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Mike,

I know HCA and HCC don't have a problem they don't own the water, boats or sailors. My point is they don't provide any support or help if we let the X boats come to our regattas. WE have a great regatta that all cats are welcome even Hobie's called Spring Fever put on by a great group of people that love the sport and friendship with no support from HC that I know of. I think the biggest turn out was around 180 boats with most years being around 100 boats. If we had Hobie only regattas there are not enough Hobie's left to have a regatta. One of the regattas we lost was put on by a Hobie dealer.
Where is the rest of the country ? I don't know of any Hobie only regattas in the southeast NC, SC, GA, FL, most TX, TN, AL, LA I may be wrong on some sates.

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Re: Unwelcome.... re Waves [Re: Dlennard] #180966
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You forgot MS.

Re: Unwelcome.... re Waves [Re: ] #180970
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Originally Posted by xanderwess
......and looking forward to our race this weekend on the Mississippi River that our militant friend Karl FX/Oneboy is in charge of.


Keep runnin' your mouth and you'll see militant.

Re: Unwelcome.... re Waves [Re: Karl_Brogger] #180975
06/04/09 03:48 PM
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Lighten up francis. Its supposed to be cold as **** I read now. High of 54? build a fire on the viking and have dick hand out hot chocolate.

Re: Unwelcome.... re Waves [Re: ] #180977
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Originally Posted by xanderwess
Lighten up francis. Its supposed to be cold as **** I read now. High of 54? build a fire on the viking and have dick hand out hot chocolate.



If that is what you you guys do at Hobie regattas NO THANKS !

Re: Unwelcome.... re Waves [Re: Dlennard] #180979
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Originally Posted by Dlennard
Originally Posted by xanderwess
Lighten up francis. Its supposed to be cold as **** I read now. High of 54? build a fire on the viking and have dick hand out hot chocolate.



If that is what you you guys do at Hobie regattas NO THANKS !


LOL, Dick is our PRO.

Re: Unwelcome.... re Waves [Re: Dlennard] #180980
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"If that is what you you guys do at Hobie regattas NO THANKS !"

So now you don't like hot chocolate???

Mike

Re: Unwelcome.... re Waves [Re: brucat] #180982
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Originally Posted by brucat
"If that is what you you guys do at Hobie regattas NO THANKS !"

So now you don't like hot chocolate???

Mike


No, I like hot chocolate I am just scared of the Viking and Dick

Re: Unwelcome.... re Waves [Re: Dlennard] #180984
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I was over at the Hobie site and saw this.

Wanted: Enthusiastic Hobie Sailors to help organize a few regattas in a few different areas of the USA.
If you live in VA, NC, SC, GA, S.FLA, AL,TN, KY, OH, IN, IL and are interested, please contact me offlist xanderwess@yahoo.com or call 641-425-8720
This position's comp package will most likely include: Tee shirts, some BBQ, some pictures of you on the internet and meeting some new people with like interests. Sorry, no 401k at this time.
Thanks
Chris Wessels
HR director, HCA-NA

Equal Opportunity Employer

All the Hobie's are welcome at the regattas we already have why don't you just support those. Take your rose colored glasses off and open your eyes there's more than just Hobie sailors out there.

Re: Unwelcome.... re Waves [Re: Dlennard] #181001
06/04/09 05:58 PM
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Jeez, here we go again. I am lookig for a few people to get 'Hobie' fleets going in those areas. There is someone else (I would think) to get the other manufacturers or just Catamaran fleets in general going. Please don't give me a bunch of **** for doing the job I was asked to do. You might note the tone of that request was pretty light too......no need to bring my post over here from the Hobie forum and throw a dark cloud over it.
Dick is our PRO and the Viking is our divisions main boat.

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Re: Unwelcome.... re Waves [Re: brucat] #181004
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Dear Pat,

After a long and pleasent conversation w/ someone I repect immencely I will apologize if I upset you .... that was not my intention. I have friends in common w/ you and they speak highly of your committment and passion. And I had a absolutely outstanding experience at the 2007 TheMightyHobie18/H17 North Americans. But the experiences I've had here in Div11 have been markedly different then yours in Div16. I would like to recommend that you carefully read Miss Tami's, Mr David Lennard's and Mr Mosely's posts and ask yourself a simple question ... why have these people chosen to leave or never join Hobiedom??? Talking among the "Hobie Believers" will not give you solutions/answers to the issues. (It's similiar to have someone else read your termpaper for spelling mistakes)

Just a thought, are you upset w/ me because I am a HCA-NA member???

Now I spent 5-6 years studing Mech Eng at Drexel University, learning to use "scientific methods" to analyse problems and reach the proper conclusions. Now everyone's experiences can be different and therefore everyone can reach different conclusions ..... it doesn't mean everyone else is wrong though.


Now for Mike/Brucat,

You have been excellent as the membership chairperson in increasing the HCA-NA's membership but ..... your statement that I do not really care and I do not think or get my facts correct .... well I do take that personally. I quess I shouldn't personally have joined RHYC so we could have a "Hobie Points Regatta" since Fleet 54 is having big issues on paying the insurance coverage for races on the Chesapeake Bay, or loading my Gravely Tractor into my F150, drive two hours and mow/trim the RHYC Yacht Club's 7-8 acre's of grass, or ask the "Board" personally so they agree to host a H14 Class Start .... or host a Hobie Points Regatta when I'm the only Hobie member at the Yacht Club. (It woulds cost the Div approximently +$1000 /weekend additionally to rent the club and the facilities not including the actual regatta fee's if I were not a member. Devide that by 30-35 boats and tell me how much I'm saving the Div11 sailors each by my paying $425.00/yr for membership)and working my butt off. Nowhere in my posts did I use vulgar language, insult or call people names ... I only stated my opinions that have been developed from my personal experiences since I started sailing "Beach Cats" in 1982/83. (And when did you start sailing/racing Hobies? ... 1998???)

Now I'm asking you politely not to insult me PERSONALLY ... I am 3/4 Scotch-Irish, 1/4 German and all CELT!!! You remember the Celt's ... they were the guys who would strip naked ... paint their bodies blue ... pick-up a "Claymore Sword" and charge you screaming at the top of their lungs, while hacking you to pieces.

So you can disagree w/ me but, keep on making personal attacks on this "bear" .... and you WILL NOT enjoy the response as I will be brutal, vicious and direct .... Let's take your last post for example: "If it becomes more sucessful the the Hobie Cat Regatta's in the rest of the country, more power to you"

Now we are talking about Wave's racing, so let's compare Apples to Apples should we .... as mentioned earlier in this thread there have been 4-5 Waves that have appeared at HCA-NA events and raced under IHCA rules ... while the IWCA event in Florida last December attracked approximently 20 competitors that raced under IWCA rules and there is more events in this year before December.

Hmmmmmmmmm .....

Your words .... "more power to you ....." So you support the IWCA rules I would quess ... or do you want to change your rules ?????

The reason I dropped out of the NAHCA after being one of the early members .... We, the TheMightyHobie18 Class sailors had submitted some minor rule changes for the TheMightyHobie18 Class ... they were voted on and turned down at the Annual Meeting which was held at the H16 NA's .... THERE WASN"T A SINGLE TheMightyHobie18 SAILOR (in all likelyhood) IN ATTENDENCE!!!!! Here's an idea, let's hold the meeting at the different NA Championships on alternating years. (Do you think the reason I maybe misinformed on the IHCA selection process is since it has only been held at H16 events????? and I race TheMightyHobie18's .... daaaaaaaaa????)

And how are you promoting "membership" by personally attacking HCA-NA members because of their various views that don't align w/ yours?????

Harry Murphey
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Re: Unwelcome.... re Waves [Re: ] #181009
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I am lookig for a few people to get 'Hobie' fleets going in those areas. There is someone else (I would think) to get the other manufacturers or just Catamaran fleets in general going. Please don't give me a bunch of [censored] for doing the job I was asked to do.


Chris,

Your fundamental mistake is that you are confusing a Hobie Fleet/Yacht club with the sailors racing one design on a Hobie xx at some YC's/catamaran club event.

If my Yacht Club, offers any group of catamarans a start if they have 5 or more boats... and you start a campaign to pull one of those sailors out and have him start a NEW Yacht Club and then have this Club/Fleet run a race with at least one Hobie in a class = a race.... What do you think I and the volunteers at the Yacht Club would have to say about your efforts?

Now consider the fact that many of these organizations USED to belong to the Hobie universe of yacht clubs before they were forced to choose a different path...

Instead of trying to compete with the existing organizations that make catamaran racing go in the states you mention you should find ways to support those clubs that are vital to cat racing in huge chunks of the country.

... Perhaps you should look for FLEET CAPTAINS who would beat the bushes for Hobie XX's ... organize the troops, and get them to turnout at the YC events in the region and try to make those events as successful as possible.

Respectfully
Mark



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Re: Unwelcome.... re Waves [Re: Mark Schneider] #181011
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Mark, you are completely full of ****.

Re: Unwelcome.... re Waves [Re: Karl_Brogger] #181012
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yeah... how so?


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Re: Unwelcome.... re Waves [Re: Mark Schneider] #181013
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Ah lets see. If someone told you the sky was blue, you'd tell em' its red. All you want to do is be a disagreeable schmuck about EVERYTHING. Chris isn't out there to pirate other clubs fleets. It just isn't the intent.

Re: Unwelcome.... re Waves [Re: Karl_Brogger] #181014
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Something very important that all of you are overlooking.

Slow down and think.


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Re: Unwelcome.... re Waves [Re: arbo06] #181022
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Harry, I've re-read your prior response to Pat several times, and still don't see how you don't see that as offensive, but I'm willing to take your word for it. I only responded to your posts with countering facts, and got irritated when it appeared that you were attacking volunteers.

Your last post is full of even more erroneous information. Here are some corrections:

I bought my first Hobie Cat in 1990 while in college. Started racing in 1996, bought my first new boat in 1997, now I'm on my third new one.

Since you took the time to ask around about Pat AFTER you started laying into him, perhaps you should do the same for me. I'll bet you a beer that I've been more involved in Hobie class management since 1997 than you have since 1982, so I'm not sure where you're trying to go with that gem.

I'm Irish too, not sure what type, but again, probably not a point worth discussing.

I personally agree with the HCA policies and class rules. I also stand by what I said, if someone invents a better mousetrap, I'm happy for them. It doesn't affect me an iota, I'm not paid for any of this either.

Here is an exact quote from my reply on Oct 3, 2008 when we started formally discussing this:

"So, if allowing these non-Hobie parts for this event results in a huge Wave turnout, and lots of the Waves are there just because they were able to use whatever cloth they have available, call it a victory, and consider moving to have the IHCA Wave class rules changed permanently afterwards (for points regattas, etc.)."

More fun facts... In the intervening years when you decided not to renew your membership, several HCA AGMs were held at events OTHER than the H16 NAs.

I'm ready for your apology.

Mike

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Re: Unwelcome.... re Waves [Re: brucat] #181027
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Sailing is largley a corinthian sport. The rules bear out the honesty. Use the rule book consistently and it will solve the majority of the problems. The rules are clear(usually) and apply to all sailors. It is obvious to me that COMMUNICATION is the issue in this case. Debate is assigned to the RC. Don't stroke out about it here... BTW, I am Irish. Have another beer and go to bed.


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THAT's why I'm so irritable today. Too much blood in my alcohol system! smile

Mike

Re: Unwelcome.... re Waves [Re: brucat] #181030
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Happy Hour cures many ills.

Root cause issues can be revealed by happy hour, in my experience.

Where do you want to meet? ;-} Las Vegas? Maybe?


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