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Re: After World's Questions [Re: pepin] #185655 07/21/09 05:52 AM 07/21/09 05:52 AM
Joined: Apr 2003 Posts: 1,669 Melbourne, Australia Tornado_ALIVE Pooh-Bah
Tornado_ALIVE Pooh-Bah Joined: Apr 2003 Posts: 1,669 Melbourne, Australia	Macca in 10th is a Skip also. AUS are very strong in Catamaran and Skiff sailing. The A Class fleet we are probably the strongest with 4 out of the top 10 being skips most years. An AUS championship can have a feel and quality of a Worlds.

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Re: After World's Questions [Re: pepin] #185666 07/21/09 08:15 AM 07/21/09 08:15 AM
Joined: Apr 2007 Posts: 148 Cutler Bay, Florida Bajan_Bum OP member
Bajan_Bum OP member Joined: Apr 2007 Posts: 148 Cutler Bay, Florida	Originally Posted by pepin Top 20 Boats Infusion 7 Wildcat 6 Shockwave 2 Capricorn 2 Tiger 1 Mattia 1 Diam 3 1 Is the Tiger losing its popularity? I'm amazed at how many Wildcats were in the race, considering its short life on the water. Last edited by Bajan_Bum; 07/21/09 08:16 AM.

Re: After World's Questions [Re: Bajan_Bum] #185667 07/21/09 08:17 AM 07/21/09 08:17 AM
Joined: Sep 2004 Posts: 2,584 +31NL Tony_F18 Carpal Tunnel
Tony_F18 Carpal Tunnel Joined: Sep 2004 Posts: 2,584 +31NL	Most of the serious racing teams switched to Wildcats this year, thats why it dropped of the list.

Re: After World's Questions [Re: Tony_F18] #185671 07/21/09 09:20 AM 07/21/09 09:20 AM
Joined: Sep 2001 Posts: 756 Newport, RI wildtsail old hand
wildtsail old hand Joined: Sep 2001 Posts: 756 Newport, RI	What's the deal with broken masts and daggerboards I heard rumors about? What kind of boats?

Re: After World's Questions [Re: wildtsail] #185677 07/21/09 10:13 AM 07/21/09 10:13 AM
Joined: Jun 2001 Posts: 3,293 Long Beach, California John Williams Carpal Tunnel
John Williams Carpal Tunnel Joined: Jun 2001 Posts: 3,293 Long Beach, California	All types, even a Tiger, broke a mast. Nobody's invulnerable - in big air, if the main is off and the 'chute is up, you're asking for a tow. John Williams - The harder you practice, the luckier you get - Gary Player, pro golfer After watching Lionel Messi play, I realize I need to sail harder.

Re: After World's Questions [Re: Bajan_Bum] #185678 07/21/09 10:30 AM 07/21/09 10:30 AM
Joined: Nov 2003 Posts: 749 Santa Cruz, CA SurfCityRacing old hand
SurfCityRacing old hand Joined: Nov 2003 Posts: 749 Santa Cruz, CA	Originally Posted by Bajan_Bum Originally Posted by pepin Top 20 Boats Infusion 7 Wildcat 6 Shockwave 2 Capricorn 2 Tiger 1 Mattia 1 Diam 3 1 Is the Tiger losing its popularity? I'm amazed at how many Wildcats were in the race, considering its short life on the water. Remember the event was in Europe. It's really hard to compare what's going there compared to the U.S. as far as sailing. I would go as far as to say it's apples and oranges. J

Re: After World's Questions [Re: pepin] #185681 07/21/09 10:42 AM 07/21/09 10:42 AM
Joined: Aug 2007 Posts: 3,969 B brucat Carpal Tunnel
brucat Carpal Tunnel B Joined: Aug 2007 Posts: 3,969	Jeremy, if you make XXL t-shirts, send me two. I keep buying new H16s every few years, so I'm doing my part to keep some fiberglass coming out of CA... What would the F18 Worlds look like if it were held in the USA? Would we reach a registration cap? Would a ton of boats from EU show up? Mike

Re: After World's Questions [Re: Catfan] #185685 07/21/09 11:04 AM 07/21/09 11:04 AM
Joined: Nov 2005 Posts: 1,203 uk TEAMVMG veteran
TEAMVMG veteran Joined: Nov 2005 Posts: 1,203 uk	Gummer/Crawford were on a Shockwave Originally Posted by Catfan Some info from the web site Catamaran Racing about the 2009 F18 Worlds: OVERALL RESULTS No Sailno Name Boat 1 NED 3 De Koning Coen, Visser Thijs Infusion 2 GBR 1111 Rob Wilson, Lynch Marcus Shockwave 3 GBR 1204 Styles Hugh, West Ferdinand Infusion 4 AUS 8 Ashby Glenn, Howden William Wildcat 5 NED 1202 Larsen Gunnar, Dubbeldam Infusion 6 FRA 94 Mourniac J, Guyader Wildcat 7 FRA 9 Vaireaux Moana, Petit R Wildcat 8 FRA 88 Fequet Loïc, Filippi Wildcat 9 FRA 111 Morvan François, Vandame Mathieu Shockwave 10 NED 1 Macpherson Andrew, Derckson Herbert Infusion 11 GER 203 Sach Helge, Sach Christian Infusion 12 NED 1164 Larsen Sascha, Van Helden Christa Infusion 13 AUS 145 Goodall Greg, Goodall Brett Capricorn 14 FRA 5 Sellier Thomas, Moreau Fred Diam 3 15 GBR 887 Gummer Stuart, Crawford Ryan Capricorn 16 NED 7 Heemskerk Mischa, Tentij Bastiaan Wildcat 17 FRA 1169 Besson Billy, Jarlegan Arneaud Infusion 18 AUS 1 Booth Taylor, Bernier Jacques Tiger 19 FRA 1 Vauchel Camus , Lagarrigue Jeremie Mattia F18 20 ITA 10 Sorrentino Vincenzo, Longhi Guido Wildcat Top 20 Boats Infusion 7 Wildcat 6 Shockwave 2 Capricorn 2 Tiger 1 Mattia 1 Diam 3 1 Crew weight (top 20) from 350 lbs to 385 lbs (around 160 to 174 kg) at 2:57 PM 0 comments Paul teamvmg.weebly.com

Re: After World's Questions [Re: wildtsail] #185687 07/21/09 11:13 AM 07/21/09 11:13 AM
Joined: Nov 2005 Posts: 1,203 uk TEAMVMG veteran
TEAMVMG veteran Joined: Nov 2005 Posts: 1,203 uk	Originally Posted by wildtsail What's the deal with broken masts and daggerboards I heard rumors about? What kind of boats? A combination of things; A huge amount of tide running against the wind Shallow water [ Boats won't invert] A race committee keeping racing going in stupid winds because they are behind on the schedule and are being forced to get the races in. 180 boats - 1 course - too many! Paul teamvmg.weebly.com

Re: After World's Questions [Re: TEAMVMG] #185688 07/21/09 11:19 AM 07/21/09 11:19 AM
Joined: Aug 2007 Posts: 3,969 B brucat Carpal Tunnel
brucat Carpal Tunnel B Joined: Aug 2007 Posts: 3,969	Can you elaborate on that a bit more? I agree that 180 boats on one circle, with a 50-minute target, makes for tight conditions. But, how does the tide opposite wind break masts, and more importantly, daggerboards? I can see your point if large, confused seas caused a lot of capsizes that would lead to broken masts, but how were the daggerboards being broken? Was the water THAT shallow? Mike

Re: After World's Questions [Re: brucat] #185689 07/21/09 11:19 AM 07/21/09 11:19 AM
Joined: Nov 2003 Posts: 749 Santa Cruz, CA SurfCityRacing old hand
SurfCityRacing old hand Joined: Nov 2003 Posts: 749 Santa Cruz, CA	Originally Posted by brucat What would the F18 Worlds look like if it were held in the USA? Would we reach a registration cap? Would a ton of boats from EU show up? Mike Mike, As an indicator of how that might go down, The Tiger Worlds in Santa Barbara in 2005 we had close to 100 boats show up- alot of European teams. There were something around 35 US teams. http://www.hobieworlds.com/tiger2005/results/tigerworlds_overall.html I bet if you held an F18 event with the same parameters as the Tiger event in Santa Barbara you'd see more boats now. Things have matured a bit over the last 4 years as far as F18s are concerned. J

Re: After World's Questions [Re: pepin] #185697 07/21/09 12:50 PM 07/21/09 12:50 PM
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DUH Unregistered D	Originally Posted by pepin A quick per country analysis. From the top 20: 7 FRA 5 NED 3 GBR 3 AUS 1 GER 1 ITA I'm impressed by the AUS results: Placing 3 of 7 in the top 20 is quite a good result (42%). A better result than the 7 out of 27 FRA (25%) or the abysmal 5 out of 37 NED (13%). And not a BEL in sight, considering it was on their home water and that there was 34 BEL teams, quite a disappointment. I guess the farthest the race is from your home country, the better the sailors become. Except for the US obviously First class comment douche

Re: After World's Questions [Re: ] #185710 07/21/09 01:54 PM 07/21/09 01:54 PM
Joined: Nov 2003 Posts: 749 Santa Cruz, CA SurfCityRacing old hand
SurfCityRacing old hand Joined: Nov 2003 Posts: 749 Santa Cruz, CA	Originally Posted by DUH First class comment douche Uh Oh. That didn't get ME very far last time I threw it out there.

Re: After World's Questions [Re: SurfCityRacing] #185712 07/21/09 01:55 PM 07/21/09 01:55 PM
Joined: Jan 2008 Posts: 3,655 Portland, Maine T ThunderMuffin Carpal Tunnel
ThunderMuffin Carpal Tunnel T Joined: Jan 2008 Posts: 3,655 Portland, Maine	Quote Uh Oh. That didn't get ME very far last time I threw it out there. JC has bigger muscles.

Re: After World's Questions [Re: brucat] #185716 07/21/09 02:28 PM 07/21/09 02:28 PM
Joined: May 2006 Posts: 96 Budapest, Hungary, Europe CatSailingHu journeyman
CatSailingHu journeyman Joined: May 2006 Posts: 96 Budapest, Hungary, Europe	There was a Tiger (2004) on the beach with broken mast. The mast was broken just above the point where diamond wires attached. The guy told me he went in downwind without kite, he made a jibe near to the gate. The mast was broken at the moment the main went to the other side. So I think it just happened, nothing to do with the current, timing or the number of the boats. Only the strong wind and the stupid waves, or boat handling. Or the mast was damaged at a previous capsize... jibing without kite was really risky there - with lose main you can easily overload the mast - with closed main you need to make the jibe really precisely, what was not possible because of the waves Sanyi Nacra Infusion www.catsailing.hu

Re: After World's Questions [Re: CatSailingHu] #185718 07/21/09 02:40 PM 07/21/09 02:40 PM
Joined: Jan 2005 Posts: 6,049 Sebring, Florida. Timbo Carpal Tunnel
Timbo Carpal Tunnel Joined: Jan 2005 Posts: 6,049 Sebring, Florida.	I've seen all the other boats but never heard of the Shockwave, who makes it? Are there any in the USA? Blade F16 #777

Re: After World's Questions [Re: Timbo] #185719 07/21/09 02:42 PM 07/21/09 02:42 PM
Joined: Jan 2008 Posts: 3,655 Portland, Maine T ThunderMuffin Carpal Tunnel
ThunderMuffin Carpal Tunnel T Joined: Jan 2008 Posts: 3,655 Portland, Maine	Shockwave is the same maker as that 16 footer in the "What did you do on the weekend?" video :P

Re: After World's Questions [Re: ThunderMuffin] #185720 07/21/09 02:47 PM 07/21/09 02:47 PM
Joined: Jan 2005 Posts: 6,049 Sebring, Florida. Timbo Carpal Tunnel
Timbo Carpal Tunnel Joined: Jan 2005 Posts: 6,049 Sebring, Florida.	Thanks, does it look like a bigger version of that boat? Kind of the way the Cap looks like a big Viper (or Viper looks like a small Cap if you prefer). Blade F16 #777

Re: After World's Questions [Re: Timbo] #185721 07/21/09 02:48 PM 07/21/09 02:48 PM
Joined: Dec 2005 Posts: 1,121 Eastern NC, USA T tshan old hand
tshan old hand T Joined: Dec 2005 Posts: 1,121 Eastern NC, USA	Originally Posted by Timbo I've seen all the other boats but never heard of the Shockwave, who makes it? Are there any in the USA? The Spitfire's big brother. Not that I've seen, but I don't get around much. Tom

Re: After World's Questions [Re: tshan] #185722 07/21/09 02:51 PM 07/21/09 02:51 PM
Joined: Jan 2005 Posts: 6,049 Sebring, Florida. Timbo Carpal Tunnel
Timbo Carpal Tunnel Joined: Jan 2005 Posts: 6,049 Sebring, Florida.	I've actually sailed on a Spitfire! All thanks to Dermot in Dublin! (Thanks again Dermot!) I liked the Spitfire design, big round hulls with lots of volume, is the Shockwave designed like that? Blade F16 #777

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