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Re: After World's Questions [Re: ThunderMuffin] #185723
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The Shockwave as pointed the big brother of the spitfire, designed by Ives Loday and Reg White, both Tornado legends, designers of the Vx40, check the VX40 again and youŽll see the distinctive bow shape. They also built the F18 Dart Hawk and the Dart 16 and the list goes on...
http://www.swell-catamarans.co.uk/
http://www.swell-catamarans.com





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Re: After World's Questions [Re: Timbo] #185724
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Originally Posted by Timbo
I've actually sailed on a Spitfire! All thanks to Dermot in Dublin! (Thanks again Dermot!)

I liked the Spitfire design, big round hulls with lots of volume, is the Shockwave designed like that?


http://catsailingnews.blogspot.com/2009/06/lodaywhite-shockwave.html

2 seconds in google and 1.98 of it was spent typing in "shockwave catamaran"



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Re: After World's Questions [Re: Timbo] #185725
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Re: After World's Questions [Re: F18arg] #185726
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Up against the Spitfire its simply huuuuuuuge. Up against the Hobie Wildwind its still huuuge, big big volume well forward. smile

Re: After World's Questions [Re: waynemarlow] #185727
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Re: After World's Questions [Re: Robi] #185728
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Were the broken masts carbon or aluminum?

Sucks that you can break a mast just by gybing technique (or lack thereof).

OTOH, I watched a guy destroy a mast on a Melges 24 before putting in the water for a 3-day regatta last weekend. Caught some rigging on the hoist, and pulled the boat/trailer forward (still not sure why). Broke the CF mast and boom, no sailing for them.

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Re: After World's Questions [Re: brucat] #185730
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Hey Tim, I found a link for you on the Shockwave:
http://catsailingnews.blogspot.com/2009/06/lodaywhite-shockwave.html

:P

No carbon masts allowed in F18 IIRC.

Re: After World's Questions [Re: brucat] #185731
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All Alu masts, F18 rule.
30knots and huge waves, not strange at all, it was survival conditions they've told me.

Re: After World's Questions [Re: ThunderMuffin] #185732
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Originally Posted by Undecided
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Uh Oh. That didn't get ME very far last time I threw it out there.


JC has bigger muscles.


Absolutely. People would be surprised to find out who knows who in this world of cat sailing. It's an incestuous bunch I tell ya.
J

Re: After World's Questions [Re: SurfCityRacing] #185733
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Originally Posted by SurfCityRacing
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Uh Oh. That didn't get ME very far last time I threw it out there.


JC has bigger muscles.


Absolutely. People would be surprised to find out who knows who in this world of cat sailing. It's an incestuous bunch I tell ya.
J


I donno what you're talking about, but JC's shoulders are the size of bowling balls.

Re: After World's Questions [Re: F18arg] #185734
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Originally Posted by F18arg
All Alu masts, F18 rule.
30knots and huge waves, not strange at all, it was survival conditions they've told me.


Good point. Anyone with the cahones to even attempt racing with a chute in 30 knots probably needs to have their heads examined...

Mike

Re: After World's Questions [Re: brucat] #185737
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Originally Posted by brucat
Originally Posted by F18arg
All Alu masts, F18 rule.
30knots and huge waves, not strange at all, it was survival conditions they've told me.


Good point. Anyone with the cahones to even attempt racing with a chute in 30 knots probably needs to have their heads examined...

Mike


I raced just up the coast from there in those kind of conditions. Shallow water big current and huge steep waves that are very close together all with cold gusty wind. Went swimming a lot as that was not anything I had ever seen even close to before that.

It is racing though and this was the World championship. If the guy ahead or behind of you puts up his chute you have to follow. If he does not go over you were not going to beat him anyway. If he does go over, you can douse it after you pass him up. laugh

Re: After World's Questions [Re: Matt M] #185738
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I know, it's just insane is all...

I guess I have a different tactic for survival mode. Just keep the pointy end up, you'll at least beat the boats that explode...

Mike

Re: After World's Questions [Re: Matt M] #185739
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Originally Posted by Matt M
Originally Posted by brucat
Originally Posted by F18arg
All Alu masts, F18 rule.
30knots and huge waves, not strange at all, it was survival conditions they've told me.


Good point. Anyone with the cahones to even attempt racing with a chute in 30 knots probably needs to have their heads examined...

Mike


I raced just up the coast from there in those kind of conditions. Shallow water big current and huge steep waves that are very close together all with cold gusty wind. Went swimming a lot as that was not anything I had ever seen even close to before that.

It is racing though and this was the World championship. If the guy ahead or behind of you puts up his chute you have to follow. If he does not go over you were not going to beat him anyway. If he does go over, you can douse it after you pass him up. laugh


In this conditions easier to sail downwind with kite than without. The wind direction was changed so if you were on the wrong side of the field you have to go to the gate without kite.




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Re: After World's Questions [Re: brucat] #185740
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Thanks for all the links guys, much appreciated. Looks like they had quite a good time!

And as Matt points out, sailing over there is -not- like sailig over here. More wind, more waves, and the locals are used to sailing in it.

I'm guessing there probably isn't a US based Race Committee that would have sent the fleet out in 30 knot winds!


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Re: After World's Questions [Re: Timbo] #185742
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Did any of the teams in the Worlds sail with the smaller sail plan? If so, how did they fare?

Re: After World's Questions [Re: US5352] #185743
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I have not seen any teams with small sail plan.


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Re: After World's Questions [Re: Timbo] #185745
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Originally Posted by Timbo
I'm guessing there probably isn't a US based Race Committee that would have sent the fleet out in 30 knot winds!


...And that would be an incorrect guess. Although, normally, no one but the top third of the H16 fleet wants to be out in those conditions (you read that correctly, no other boats), and they're not afraid to tell you that.

Mike

Re: After World's Questions [Re: CatSailingHu] #185746
07/21/09 04:32 PM
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Last week 2 guys argued with me here on catsailor that they were out in 30-40 KNOTS and I called them on it. They both held to thier story and I started to wonder if I was a wus.(no comment Tad or Todd!) Maybe thier story wasnt exactly accurate....
Ive been in a monohull when it was blowing 30, and it was rediculous. No way a cat could survive for very long in that. And yes, no RC would send them out in todays litigation hungry world.


The men were amazed, and said, "What kind of a man is this, that even the winds and the sea obey Him?" Matthew 8:27





Re: After World's Questions [Re: dave mosley] #185748
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H16 sailors are crazy anyway smile


The men were amazed, and said, "What kind of a man is this, that even the winds and the sea obey Him?" Matthew 8:27





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