For the record:

Next year the scoring will be done by an authorized employee of Juana's. Her summary with class results is copied below.

To the whiners about the distance course, all I can say is that will be the prescribed course for next year if I am RC because I like it.

I am proposing that Juana consider establishing the following perpetuals - Distance Traveled, Co - Ed, Tucker Youth Trophy, and a Master Trophy for competitors 65 years and older.

How say Ye? At least the RC did not wave a rule book around even thought the competitors strictly required that the RC wave a rule book at itself. Now,that's strategy - gather a posse of top shooters and trail down the RC - too bad we got away:-) Here's Mandy's take. Please be advised Shane Gaston informed me there was an error in the H 16 Class: however, I understand that has been resolved - this scoring report does not feature the change in results.

----- Thanks so much for coming out to the Regatta last weekend. We had a record turn out this year with 70 boats registered and 5 windsurfers. Below is a list of award winners, committee/safety boat members, and sponsors.


AWARDS

Windsurf
1. Bert Rice
2. Jim Leonard
3. Steve Bogan

H-16 (has been revised)
1. Carl Renelt and Bridget Precise
2. John Bizzeil and Jackie Robbins
3. Jerome and Jane Vaughn

Formula 16
1. Chris Amador and Rene Humphries
2. Andy Humphries and Austin Evans
3. Mike Bordon

Nacra 20
1. Kirk Newkirk and Glenn Holmes
2. Mark Smith and Michael Rice
3. John MacDonald and Tony Thomas

H-18
1. Damon Linkous
2. Paul Price and Crew
3. Glenn Bolner and Terry Turner

Open A
1. Randy Smyth (A-Cat)
2. Mark Ederer and Danny Roberts (18 H-T)
3. Kenny Boudreau and Ricky Klein (F-18)

Open B
1. Kris Ridgeway and Michelle Sutherland (H-Getaway)
2. Duly Charltain and Ross Roundtree (P-18)
3. Ray Breneman and Crew

Cruisers
1. Auk Tui (Mike Pedersen, Jason Knoll, and Crew)
2. Perigee (Doug Craig, Deb Haywood, and Crew)
3. Tristan (Tom and Diane Pelczynski and Crew)

Best overall co-ed
Chris Armador and Renee Humphries

Carlton Tucker Award
Glenn, Gregg, Mark, and Mike Tepe



Best Breasts Award

Kris Ridgeway and Michelle Sutherland

Thank you to safety boats, photographers, and videographers (John Hays, Jim Schafer, Jeff Harris, Donna Harris, Karl Marusak, Ron Wilson, and Ben Wilson)

Thank you to race committee (Bert Rice, Mark Smith, Tommy Garner, Jim Leonard & Leslie, Kevin Rejda, Adrian Solomon, Leigh Knox, Kevin O'Leary, Christi O'Leary, and Cindy McBride)

Thank you to sponsors (AAA insurance agency, Euro-Tan, Navarre Press, All American Heroes, Gulf Properties, Re/Max Total Properties, Baird Chiropractic Center, Republic National Distributing, Best Western, Run With It, Cactus Flower Cafe, Island Style, Express Pharmacy Navarre, Century 21 Island View Realty, Navarre Beach Flower Boutique, The UPS store, Days Inn and Suites, Navarre Family Dentistry, Version Wireless agent Dave Mobley.)

Let me know if you need any more information.

Thanks,

Mandy

I had a hard time with the distance race, but that's okay. Challenge is good. Special thanks to "Sea Flea" for hangin' around.

Great party, thanks to all! See you next year!

Best Breasts Award

Kris Ridgeway and Michelle Sutherland



Someone want to explain the critera for this obviously prestigious award? I'd like to enter my man-boobs...

how does the saying go? "pics or it didn't happen"?

NO PIX FOR YOU! You have to drive the 11 hours and see for yourself.

Have a quick question, if Kirk DNF'd on Saturday's distance race, how did he take over all winner for the NACRA 20 class?

The winds and voices of fate ruled that the race on Saturday for the NACRA 20 Class would not be counted toward final scoring. We will try and have mark boats doing roundings in the future. Nuff said!
RRS. 28.1 applies.

Pardon my interest in this, but I am the race committee chairman for my club and curious about your methodology. Are saying that under RRS 28.1 you threw out an entire race for a specific class because THE race committee decided the wind wasn't right and a few racers complained; therefore voiding the printed sailing instructions?

If so, how does 28.1 apply?

And, why not through out the other classes that raced the same course?

The leader in the race missed the skippers' meeting and failed to navigate the course as described in the SIs and course diagram which included marks of the course, distance, and bearing. The rest of the black sheep except for a couple boats followed in blind faith and then scapegoated the RC for "complicating" the course. I decided to deep - six the race for the N 20s. They need to buff out their navigational skills on catamarans:-)

This was the only Class that made an issue of the course. A heavy rainstorm did play a role. I was running the windsurfer course when the first N 20s arrived at the finish, and I reported to my RC assistants that those boats missed a mark. They did!

you deep-sixed the entire class for that entire distance race? Because the person who didn't round the correct mark didn't attend the skipper's meeting? I hope you aren't serious... and the excuse of the sailors that you "complicated" the course? Yes, I thought it was kind of goofy too but if that was what was said at the skippers meeting then why are you punishing those that actually paid attention? I suddenly realized that I wasn't paying attention at the end of the race and wondered if we had ran the correct course but my skipper knew where we were and was paying attention. If we had missed the mark and took an DNF or whatever, then that would have been fine... because those were the RULES. I guess you get enough people to go against the rules then you can throw them out after the fact.
I love this regatta and I know it is very informal, but that is pretty bad if it is true.

by the way... if I don't go to the skippers meeting at Nationals next month and decide to say "I didn't know there was a windward mark, so i didn't go to it" does this then allow me to hit the reset button?

Again, please don’t take this the wrong way, just trying to understand the methodology.

So let me review the facts; the leader of the race missed the skippers meeting and this is an excuse for not knowing the course and other racers followed him therefore missing the mark and complaining that the race course was bad? Few questions, what if the leader decided to quit the race because of……. and the other followed him? Would you have still DQ’d the others? Were the instructions posted anywhere? I mean as a race committee chairperson this is something I always do as well make sure each racer has a copy in their race entry packet. And for the others outside of the leader, were the instructions articulated at the skippers meeting and if so were there any questions from the group that needed clarification? Certainly you will agree there is really no excuse for NOT KNOWING THE COURSE.

As for the other “blind faith followers” what the heck, that is racing, and they should have sailed their own race, or did they miss the meeting too? If I may, and again please don’t take this as an insult, I would have asked each of the racer about the course they sailed and disqualified them or scored then as a DNF, but to disqualify an entire race? In all my years of racing; first this has never happened - that is a race committee DQing an entire race, and with the exception of one event that I will get into later, many of the sailors I have raced with are honest and will be the first to admit they didn’t sail the course as noted in the initial sailing instruction or violate the RRS, unless of course they are a cheater or are in collusion with a cheater which has been known to happen.



There are not many cat sailors I know that would think of doing a distance race without some sort of GPS navigation, unless of the race rules specified other. I think if you polled this group you will find my statement pretty close to the mark or in this case the missed one!!!! Did you have the “lats and longs” in the instructions and if so why did you do this?



So if I am reading this right, in place of pulling the skippers from the NACRA 20 class together that afternoon or evening, explaining the situation that you were confronted with, presenting a few remedies, and letting THEM decide THEIR fate, you the race committee decided to pull the plug and penalize the few entrants that played by the rules and sail a good race. Dude!!!!!!!

I had mentioned earlier we had an issue like this a while back. Very similar, a few racers didn’t round a mark that were part of the initial printed race instructions and when we all got back to the beach and addressed the committee for a protest it sort of fell of deaf ears, that is the race committee/promoter was looking to favor a few specific entrants at the expense of the others and decided to change the rules at that time. Oh! That race died a quick death as many of us decide not to enter it the next year.

Again, please don’t take this the wrong way as I am looking at this from afar, but is sounds to me like decisions were made to penalize those that did the right thing and favor those that didn’t, or your dealing with some cheaters and a race committee failed to take this into consideration.

And for laughs and grins, why not post the result of all the NACRA 20 class races that is both Saturdays and Sundays finishes. Like I said, for laughs and grins!!!!

I was one of the N20's that made the mark on saturday. It was a great race and I don't feel that the mark had any real effect on the outcome of the race. i could have been a lot more competitive and opinionated if i didn't spend ~8 minutes dealing with a capsize and a broken centerboard. ( i had a GPS to help tally the wasted time ) the extra mark was a little unusual since it was essentially enroute to the turning route. i suppose rulz is rulz and the RC has their reasons but the outcome would have been the same had everyone hit the mark. However, I think i may tuck this lesson away and next time i miss the skippers meeting and i don't go to the windward mark i'm going to raise some hell if they try and DSQ me!!!! Its all good. Its call Juana Good Time Regatta for a reason... see you all next year...


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What johnes said!

Half assed race management does not help our niche of the sport.

This certainly doesn't encourage beginners to get into racing when the top sailors are allowed to bully the RC into changing the rules after the fact.

I had a GREAT TIME!


P.S. I'd like redress in R2 Sunday as I scored a DNF because I tried to go around an extra time. When I got to the bottom mark and the chase boats were lifting it I said "Hey, did you change the course? You're not flying a flag or anything. They shrugged and then I thought ... they cancelled the race early ... only to find out it was ME that was confused.

BTW, the SI CLEARLY stated all races would be twice around up wind finish (which I had read and heard at the skippers meeting)

BBTW, I only wish I'd been leading the race so that I could have had my fleet follow me around too

. . . Depends on who's RC.

BTW, I do recall the leader at the skipper's meeting! You've got to do better than that. Nice pink hat!
Oh my!

According to RRS
"SCORES DETERMINED BY THE RACE COMMITTEE
A boat that did not start, comply with rule 30.2 or 30.3, or finish, or
that takes a penalty under rule 44.3(a) or retires after finishing, shall
be scored accordingly by the race committee without a hearing. Only
the protest committee may take other scoring actions that worsen a
boat’s score."
Where finish is described as:
"A boat finishes when any part of her hull, or crew or equipment
in normal position, crosses the finishing line in the direction of
the course from the last mark after completing any penalties."

So, a race committee is obligated to record a boats finish. They are not allowed to judge whether or not a boat has successfully sailed a course, that is for the protest committee. It is not appropriate for the RC to hand out DSQ's or DNF's to boats that did indeed finish.


Who was and who was not at the skippers meeting should have no bearing on the decision. There should be no information disseminated at the meeting that is either not in the SI's or posted as a notice to competitors. Attending the meeting is not a requirement for successfully navigating a race.

I seem to remember some unhappiness with this same RC at last year's Juana's.

You all need also to write DIRECTLY to Juana and let her know your thoughts.

This was not a good decision. The only way to deal with this is:

- The faulty boats should all retire.
- If not, a non faulty boat should have protested during the time limit.

If none of this happen the results stand. If you're not happy you should have protested. But throwing the results away is not a possible solution in any circumstances.

The same situation happened during an event at our club. The SI and the board displayed at the back of the committee boat called for 4 laps. The leader stopped at 3 laps, finishing in the middle of the F18 who started 10 minutes in front of us. Everyone followed but me and another boat. So most of the fleet sailed the wrong course.

As nobody retired (And they should have. They all knew: I told them) the RC rightly assumed that everything was fine and was ready to publish the results as is. The two of us who sailed the right course had to protest every other boat in the fleet to gain some attention. Being reasonable and not willing to DSQ everyone we proposed to the committee to drop the protests as long as we got redress for the 1 and 2 place, the rest of the fleet scoring after us.

The offer was accepted and the end result was nicer than simply DSQ 15 odd boats. Everyone was happy with the outcome, considering.

What's the scoring penalty/handicap for that?

This race seems kinda like a backyard streetfight. Rules we don't need no stinkin' rules. Interesting approach.

This is the hit for the main assuming it's the same area, if the main is bigger, then there is an additional hit:

MN For non-class legal mainsail, of same sail area or less than class legal mainsail (formerly square top adjustment) 0.995 0.990 0.990 0.995 0.995

There is no hit for after market jib or spin.

We've done this before Mr. Leghorn.