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#195241 11/03/09 01:44 PM 11/03/09 01:44 PM |
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Posts: 5,525 | Never heard of it before. U.S. Sailing was trying to make membership mandatory, last year. Apparently that policy has been dropped.
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[Re: Rolf_Nilsen]
#195246 11/03/09 02:16 PM 11/03/09 02:16 PM |
Joined: Jun 2001 Posts: 12,310 South Carolina Jake
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Posts: 12,310 South Carolina | We have a huge discussion going on here in Norway these days. The sailing association dont have enough money they say to do what they want to do. So there is a proposal that everybody who participates in regattas have to buy a "license" to compete.
For personal licenses you get a small insurance that cover damages to a certain extent. Has to be renewed yearly. Big boats will be required to pay a license fee for each series or event they participate in.
Personal license is proposed to be NOK330 (US$57) A series/event fee for boats where the any crew dont have personal license is proposed to be NOK150 (US$26)
The license is of course in addition to club membership and regular insurance.
Is this kind of solution common in other countries? US Sailing uses a different motivator to encourage membership in the US. Clubs that belong to US Sailing (and also receive a reasonable insurance policy in return) are asked to provide a $5.00 US discount on the entry fee of their regattas for individual US Sailing members. Though it's presented as a discount, in reality, most clubs charge what they need to cover the costs of the regatta including the discounts. Non US Sailing members pay a little more to participate in the regatta. At the end of the day, my US Sailing membership usually costs me very nothing after all the discounts I get at regattas throughout the year...but that's usually thanks to the non-US Sailing members that participate at regattas (in a really round-about way).
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[Re: Rolf_Nilsen]
#195249 11/03/09 02:27 PM 11/03/09 02:27 PM |
Joined: Sep 2004 Posts: 2,584 +31NL Tony_F18
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Posts: 2,584 +31NL | Membership is already mandatory, this is on top of that if you want to go racing.
So it is not used in the US, how about other countries? In Holland it is also mandatory to have a so called "Start License" if you want to compete in races (on top of the regular membership). There is only one needed per boat for the "responsible person", which is usually the owner/skipper. Officially it is there to support their activities surrounding races etc, but they introduced it when they where short on ca$h, coincidence? http://translate.google.com/transla...&sl=nl&tl=en&history_state0= | | | Re: How common is "licensing"
[Re: Rolf_Nilsen]
#195265 11/03/09 04:13 PM 11/03/09 04:13 PM |
Joined: Sep 2004 Posts: 2,584 +31NL Tony_F18
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Posts: 2,584 +31NL | How much does the "start license" cost and what are the benefits besides being allowed to start? Costs are € 29,35 p/y annually No real benefits that I can think of actually, but maybe behind the scenes, who knows? Round Texel has an exemption of the starting license for people who enter as Silver Fleet (recreational sailors). | | | Re: How common is "licensing"
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#195290 11/03/09 07:34 PM 11/03/09 07:34 PM | Scarecrow
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#195327 11/04/09 08:20 AM 11/04/09 08:20 AM |
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Posts: 246 Kiel, Germany | No such thing in Germany. As far as I know, my club is paying a fee to the DSV (Deutscher Seglerverband) but I don't know of any benefits for me as a sailor, as far as any insurances are concerned. I am free to join any regatta, but the german F18 class association runs an annual list of the best helmsmen / crew and you only appear on this list if you are a member.
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#195416 11/05/09 07:12 AM 11/05/09 07:12 AM |
Joined: May 2006 Posts: 96 Budapest, Hungary, Europe CatSailingHu
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Posts: 96 Budapest, Hungary, Europe | In Hungary we are in a small club (26 sailors only), the club itself (have to be) member of the National Sailing Association (MVSZ).
The club has to pay to MVSZ: 778 USD/Y. The members pay for "race license" 48 USD/Y (x 26 member) = 1242 USD/Y
It is all together 2020 USD/Y, == 78 USD/Member/Y
For that fee we do not get back any kind of insurance or race entry discount, or similar.
From the next year there is a new regulation of the races.
- organizers have to pay license fee to the MVSZ (2-3 USD / competitors, ISAF classes do not have to pay) - For that fee the MVSZ publish the race in the official race calendar, publish the result on the web, and the most important, give the right of using the Racing rules of sailing,...
- Additional fee will be apply if there are advertising stickers on you boat or sails...This is 200-400 USD/Year, but the regulation is so complicate, I'm still not sure who has to pay and who not.
Seems to be we have the most expensive membership worldwide.
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