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Re: Area D South [Re: ksurfer2] #197331
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Originally Posted by ksurfer2
Not so sure about the 14 to 23. I think the R/C needs to recalibrate their wind speed device. Here is a link to yesterdays wind at Pier 60 (about a mile north of the race area).

http://www.iwindsurf.com/windandwhe...5&days=1&Isection=Wind+Yesterday


The graph is mph, and Fairlie was probably quoting knots. 23 knots -> 26.4 mph

It was fun, fun, fun! Well, until the crash but even that was a low drama event. Although my coach (sweetness) chastised me for pushing it when 3rd was a lock and 2nd was out of reach. There really is no good response to the 'why' question.


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Re: Area D South [Re: David Ingram] #197332
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FYI, the finishes in the last race are incorrect, it was Daniel, Shafer, Jason, Ingram. It doesn't change anything in the final placement.


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Re: Area D South [Re: David Ingram] #197333
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Originally Posted by David Ingram

The graph is mph, and Fairlie was probably quoting knots. 23 knots -> 26.4 mph


Either way....it was freakin' windy. You have officially redeamed yourself from dropping out of Macho Man. Princess, well, he's still fair game!


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Re: Area D South [Re: ksurfer2] #197334
11/23/09 08:40 AM
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Originally Posted by ksurfer2


Either way....it was freakin' windy. You have officially redeamed yourself from dropping out of Macho Man. Princess, well, he's still fair game!


I'm down with that. For the record spandex boy (Mark H) is my hero!


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Re: Area D South [Re: David Ingram] #197335
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Originally Posted by David Ingram
Originally Posted by JMAC

Did the date/location for next fall get announced?

The 2010 Area South Eliminations will be hosted by the fine folks at the Fort Walton Yacht Club, November 13 & 14!

Awesome, great news that it is FWYC, bummer it's the same weekend as the Cuba Run. Curious, was the Cuba Run date taken into consideration?


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Re: Area D South [Re: P.M.] #197339
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Originally Posted by mummp

Awesome, great news that it is FWYC, bummer it's the same weekend as the Cuba Run. Curious, was the Cuba Run date taken into consideration?


Phillip,

It's difficult to find a weekend that works for everyone. You should note we didn't get a single sailor from the panhandle, AL, MS this year and there wasn't a conflict. The Area D elims are a regional event and a 5 hour drive time seems to be the cut off point. So within a 5 hour radius of FW how many will the ADs Elims lose to the CR and vice versa? Be honest.


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Re: Area D South [Re: David Ingram] #197340
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This is why I like to see the full results: 5 different sailors,on three different boat types, took bullets. Number difference between 1st and 2nd was one point. 3rd place was 11 points back, but had to eat a dnf.

Box scores are great fun!




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Re: Area D South [Re: David Ingram] #197343
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Originally Posted by David Ingram
Originally Posted by mummp

Awesome, great news that it is FWYC, bummer it's the same weekend as the Cuba Run. Curious, was the Cuba Run date taken into consideration?


Phillip,

It's difficult to find a weekend that works for everyone. You should note we didn't get a single sailor from the panhandle, AL, MS this year and there wasn't a conflict. The Area D elims are a regional event and a 5 hour drive time seems to be the cut off point. So within a 5 hour radius of FW how many will the ADs Elims lose to the CR and vice versa? Be honest.

Ding, honestly I can only speak for myself, so the answer is one. I do believe that the CR will affect the turnout at FW, as several of the expected Gulf Coast racers have expressed their interest in doing the CR. What if Newkirk, Smith, Charlie, Boog, Altman, Lambert, Craig W., Joe P., myself, and others do the CR? The OA for CR is expecting 100 boats, mostly N20 and F18. I might question the number of expected boats racing at CR, but I don't doubt that there will be alot of N20's at CR. Remember, the panhandle is a target rich environment for N20's.

I hated that I didn't make the elims this weekend, just too much on my plate. Maybe similar things with the others. Alter cup, Global Challenge, then elims back to back was a travel strain for anybody, especially those of us as far as Birmingham, Memphis, etc.

So, I would guess that one would understand why I would even ask if the CR even show up on the radar? . .


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Re: Area D South [Re: P.M.] #197344
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I thought Cuban cigars were made of tobacco!

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CR is expecting 100 boats, mostly N20 and F18.


Wow.... by my count that is EVERY N20 and F18 that has done at least one race in the USA in the past year....

Events like Tybee and Steeplechase get oh... 20 boats or so... that's a far cry from 100.

Can he even come up with 100 names?... much less willing to do this kind of race.




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Don't shoot the messenger Mark! I said I doubted his numbers.


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Re: Area D South [Re: Mark Schneider] #197346
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So if I remember right, Alex won the Nacra 20 NA's, which would put Olli/Kelly in there for D-South, right? Knowing you're racing against national champs makes regatta racing math pretty interesting crazy

Good showing Dennis on the N20! With that fleet of 7 F18's swarming around you it's remarkable that you were first to finish the first 3 races (and OCS in the 4th or maybe another first?)

Re: Area D South [Re: P.M.] #197347
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sorry... I did not notice that. Well, I wish him luck and hope his budget does not rest on 100 boats. That is a recipe for another Worrel 1000 fiasco.


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Re: Area D South [Re: P.M.] #197351
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I should see all if not most of the names you mentioned at the Tradewinds this year and I'll get a better feel of what intentions really are there. If what you say does look like a possibility I'll consider moving the date around. Experience has taught me that "I'm thinking about it", is the same as "maybe" which is the same as...

Phillip, you haven't been to the elims for the last three years, maybe more. So, when you say we will lose you you can see where I might have my doubts, right?

Dave


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Originally Posted by JMAC
So if I remember right, Alex won the Nacra 20 NA's, which would put Olli/Kelly in there for D-South, right? Knowing you're racing against national champs makes regatta racing math pretty interesting crazy

Good showing Dennis on the N20! With that fleet of 7 F18's swarming around you it's remarkable that you were first to finish the first 3 races (and OCS in the 4th or maybe another first?)


Not necessarily. Nacra and Hobie arbitrarily choose their Champions to represent them and the AC Conditions document only provides recommendations on how to select those sailors. The manufacturers can choose whomever they want. Nacra typically chooses the winning skipper from their largest class at their North American Championship. Last year it was actually the Inter 17's that got the initial Nacra nod. Hobie doesn't necessarily follow the largest class recommendation but they do pick someone from the top of one of their North American class championships.


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Originally Posted by David Ingram
Of the 14 teams we only had 3 individuals that were not paid USSailing members, and opted not to join/renew.

So, the results should indicate 11 boats? How is that an "option?" That's one of those "eligibility" rules from the NOR, right?

Originally Posted by David Ingram
USSailing Championship for the Hobie Alter Cup Area D Rep <- what a title aye, they make me say it.

Interesting, they want to throw their name in there, but fail to mention multihulls?

Mike

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The title of the event is actually the U.S. Multihull Championship for the Hobie Alter Cup. US SAILING's name is not in the title.


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Re: Area D South [Re: John Williams] #197367
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Some weeks back you noted that only about 50 people are paid up Golden Anchor members. I was surprised to hear that, but even more surprised to hear, at Clearwater, that some people who've been around a long time don't know what the Golden Anchor program is for.

If you wouldn't mind, one more time. . .

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Re: Area D South [Re: John Williams] #197369
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Originally Posted by John Williams
The title of the event is actually the U.S. Multihull Championship for the Hobie Alter Cup. US SAILING's name is not in the title.


John is spot on there and it was MY BAD, titles are such a hassle! Sorry if I have ruffled any feathers.



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Re: Area D South [Re: pgp] #197370
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Originally Posted by pgp
If you wouldn't mind, one more time. . .


Right...I am a USSailing member but not a Golden Anchor.

I think you (JW) expained this awhile back, but I wasn't paying attention as usual.

How do you convert an existing membership?


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Re: Area D South [Re: brucat] #197371
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Originally Posted by brucat
Originally Posted by David Ingram
Of the 14 teams we only had 3 individuals that were not paid USSailing members, and opted not to join/renew.

So, the results should indicate 11 boats? How is that an "option?" That's one of those "eligibility" rules from the NOR, right?


Mike


Yes, you must be a current USSailing member to be eligible but we've never turned anyone away that wanted to sail and didn't want to be a member of USSailing. The Area D South results turned in to the AC committee only reflect the 11 eligible teams.

All the results turned in are reviewed for membership status at the time of the elimination. This does have a fairly dramatic impact on lot of the data that is turned in.

The area reps are given a fair amount of latitude in how they hold their eliminations. Some eliminations are stand alone events and some are in conjunction with preexisting events. As long as the minimum criteria is met the event is good to go.

Mike, I'm curious about your interest in the AC elims. You were kind of down on the AC a while back, are you softening your position?

Dave


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