It takes a lot of effort Pete and I'm trying something new. You know, the same could be said about you too... yeah, yeah it's the decaf.

"Kum bay ya. . ."

Err not sure where I've been dumping on people, if so sorry, all I'm saying is that in my opinion the F16, F18, and A class should all start together at smaller comps, nothing less nothing more, if we want a class winner then recording the times acroos the line should give us just that.

The upside is we don't all have to hang around for 3 starts and can get back to the beach party sooner.

I read a lot of forums... and the F16 forum does the most in-fighting BY FAR!

Sort your **** out guys!

G'day Mitch,

Loads of people are pretty tough behind the security of their computer screen & keyboard.

My parents get into an argument at least ones a day, but I have never seen two people being more devoted to eachother; even after 42 years of being together.

Having disagreements out in the open doesn't necessarily mean that there is no respect or concensus at the end of the day.

Difficult issues will not go-away when you ignore them or limit yourself to being nice all the time.

That was a lesson well taught by my folks.

Wouter

I think your on the money Marcus... it's not a good look for what is potentially a great class!

Maybe a few individuals need an introduction to sailing anarchy where they can vent their opinion? Works for me!

The F16 forum at formula16.net, where the F16 class members are, is far more tame. Discussions are civilized, agreements are reached, documents are published, votes are taking place. The problems of the F16 forum here at catsailor.com are two fold:

- Wouter abrasive way of stating stuff which is rubbing quite a lot of people the wrong way;
- People outside the class with an agenda trying to stir **** by stating stupid things (Minimum weight anyone?).

The sailors in the class can't care less about those people opinions: they are not class members and Wouter is not part of the class anymore.

The people I sail with in the UK are fine people. The people I'm going to meet at the Europeans in Italy are going to be great I'm sure. Only the ones nobody sees on the water sailing an F16 are apparently compelled to explain why the class they never tried is a bad idea.

So I disagree with you, it's not in-fighting. There is no in-fighting really, only people from the outside not wanting in and being butt.

Frankly, it's a mystery to me why this class is attracting all the nutters...