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What do you do when your bow stuffs? #208560
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When sailing downwind with your spinnaker and your bow stuffs hard, like up to crossbeam, presuming your crew is locked in on the wire... what should be done with the spinnaker... should it be blown to reduce momentum? OR held tight to hopefully lift the bows? OR is it too late to do anything and just cross your fingers?
We've tried the first two and found about the same success rate but i'm leaning towards the idea of staying trimmed in... any other methods? How about trimming the spinnaker in to reduce flow but still keep generating lift?

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Re: What do you do when your bow stuffs? [Re: wildtsail] #208561
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I generally drop my traveller a foot or two and then quickly pull it back in as soon as the bows start to rise.


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Re: What do you do when your bow stuffs? [Re: wildtsail] #208562
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... sound the diving klaxon(horn).....

Aoooga, Aoooga, Aoooga .... dive, dive, dive

Just don't "blow" the main if you wish to keep your stick ....

I don't believe that there is one correct solution as it depends on many factors .....

Re: What do you do when your bow stuffs? [Re: NCSUtrey] #208563
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Originally Posted by NCSUtrey
I generally drop my traveller a foot or two and then quickly pull it back in as soon as the bows start to rise.

yeah, what he said

Re: What do you do when your bow stuffs? [Re: PTP] #208564
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Trim in to stall and drop the traveler. Swim is the other option.


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I understand the premise of trimming in to stall but I am more a believer in blowing the thing.
the apparent wind changes a lot when you slow down that much. It changes how much? probably at least 90 degrees? likely more

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Re: What do you do when your bow stuffs? [Re: wildtsail] #208569
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Originally Posted by wildtsail
When sailing downwind with your spinnaker and your bow stuffs hard, like up to crossbeam, presuming your crew is locked in on the wire... what should be done with the spinnaker... should it be blown to reduce momentum? OR held tight to hopefully lift the bows? OR is it too late to do anything and just cross your fingers?
We've tried the first two and found about the same success rate but i'm leaning towards the idea of staying trimmed in... any other methods? How about trimming the spinnaker in to reduce flow but still keep generating lift?


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Re: What do you do when your bow stuffs? [Re: Jake] #208571
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pump the spin. let an arm length out then take 2 arms in


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Re: What do you do when your bow stuffs? [Re: F-18 5150] #208574
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I know not of this "stuffing the bows" that you speak of.

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Re: What do you do when your bow stuffs? [Re: ThunderMuffin] #208576
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Re: What do you do when your bow stuffs? [Re: Don_Atchley] #208578
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I usually go straight to the Swim option, like the Marines say when they enter a bar on Shore Leave, "Go Ugly Early, avoid the rush..."

I look for a soft spot to land so I don't break anything and then I can get busy snuffing the spin to right the boat...I'm getting pretty quick at it really.


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Re: What do you do when your bow stuffs? [Re: wildtsail] #208582
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I am afraid to risk the mast (Capricorn), so I neither touch main-sheet or -traveller. The crew eases the spi by one or two armlengths, but if you're already stuffed till the frontbeam, it's usually too late anyway ...


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Re: What do you do when your bow stuffs? [Re: Baltic] #208583
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Sailing the F16 with T foils; it's only happened once and I just sailed thru the wave.

If I have to do something (Had an Inter 17 before the F16) I would sheet the Kite IN to stall it further and then ease as soon as the bows came up.


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Re: What do you do when your bow stuffs? [Re: scooby_simon] #208586
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Ask Seth:

http://picasaweb.google.com/115536799553525989336/GYCMultihullRegattaDay3#5460114203764123234

Who's on that boat in the background applauding...?


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Re: What do you do when your bow stuffs? [Re: Timbo] #208587
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-y1bzMljkwM

It looks like dropping the traveler would work. Finding the time might be a problem.


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Re: What do you do when your bow stuffs? [Re: pgp] #208593
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according to Pete's video... send the crew out to the forestay to manually push the spin back in the tube...

Re: What do you do when your bow stuffs? [Re: ] #208603
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Keeping it sheeted or pump seem to be the way to go.
The traveler idea opens up another can of worms... i've heard two schools of thought..
1)Dropping the traveler drives the bow down
2)Dropping the traveler lifts the bows
Which is it?

Re: What do you do when your bow stuffs? [Re: wildtsail] #208606
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but won't dropping the traveler only make the situation worse????? When the bows stuff, the boat stops and the aparent wind moves WAAAAY aft. Dropping the traveler will now expose more sail area to the new apparent wind making a bad situation worse. I've always dealt with it by keeping weight back (as soon as bodies start going forward, it's all over), driving down (assuming rudders are still in the water), and praying!


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Re: What do you do when your bow stuffs? [Re: ksurfer2] #208608
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look at the very last few seconds of the video. Isn't it the main that actually takes the boat over?


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Re: What do you do when your bow stuffs? [Re: pgp] #208611
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In the end, it's always the main that takes it over, the spin is flogging by then. I doubt if anyone's got time to play with the traveler, when it happens, it happens fast!


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