| Singlehanded boat setup #208979 04/20/10 04:43 PM 04/20/10 04:43 PM | MarkMT
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Unregistered | I'm getting close to ordering a replacement for my '05 Blade. I'm curious whether there are any new tricks other singlehanded sailors are using in the way their boats are set up to make life easier. e.g. any differences in spinnaker halyard/snuffer/tackline management compared with 2-up sailing? Rotator, downhaul, rudder, daggerboard management? | | | Re: Singlehanded boat setup
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#208988 04/20/10 06:32 PM 04/20/10 06:32 PM |
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Posts: 586 Hobart, Tasmania, Oz. | Karl, what do you do when you get a tangle under the tramp? sounds like an internal down-haul, fine until something goes wrong...
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#209067 04/21/10 01:17 PM 04/21/10 01:17 PM |
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Posts: 976 France | Something handy is to run the main sail halyard through 2 holes in the mast at about 1m from the bottom. There the halyard comes out of the mast and a couple of centimeters later goes back in. This enables you to stand at the front beam to rig the sail and still be able to pull downwards at the halyard. Saves time as you don't have to walk back and forth all the time. On my boat the halyard goes down inside the mast track, and exit from it under the boom gooseneck. That's a perfect place to push down on it when standing in front of the beam. I never walk back and forth with this arrangement. A seperate tack line is convenient indeed as it gives you time to steer in between the hoist. Same for dousing. I don't understand this one? One line is definitely simpler, pull one side the spi goes up, uncleat and pull the other side to get it in. Two lines give you twice the chance of a foul, and an additional cleat. I prefer the one line system solo. Duo is another story, separate lines allow the crew to pop the spi faster as it is already partially out before the turn. | | | Re: Singlehanded boat setup
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#209104 04/21/10 06:55 PM 04/21/10 06:55 PM |
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Posts: 4,118 Northfield Mn | Its faster to have a seperate tack/halyard. You can pull the tack before the offset/windward mark that way. With the combo system you're pulling a bunch more line.
-The way mine is set up the tack line is cleated with a Spinlock underneath the tramp and mounted on the backside of the front beam. I drilled a hole through the top edge and tied off a piece of tiny line. The other end of the tiny line goes under the tramp and comes out through a grommet where it is tied off to a ring. -The spinnaker halyard comes down the mast, through a cleat, then down to the front beam where it runs through a eyestrap, then through the ring that is connected to the spinlock. The halyard then goes through a grommet and underneath the tramp where it goes through the two rings attached to bungees, one of which is the tail end of the tackline. Then it comes up through the tramp, then through a block, then through a hole in the tramp, and onto the spinnaker patches. Behind the block, and forward of the grommet where the halyard comes topside is where you grab it for dousing.
When dousing you just pull the halyard from the tramp, it releases the both the tack and the halyard at the same time, or you could grab it at the cleat to leave the tack cleated. All the benifits of the simple dousing combo line, but you can set the tack seperatly.
The bulk of my halyard is just cover/no core as well, with a section of dyneema above the cleat to the head. Its a copy of how Robbie Daniel's boat is setup, he made the halyard/tack line for me as well.
Don't forget that the doubling block can cause issues as well, whether its mounted on the mast, or the spinnaker pole.
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#209110 04/21/10 08:07 PM 04/21/10 08:07 PM | MarkMT
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Unregistered | Not sure I followed all that, but what I see on p12 of the Viper Tuning Guide seems essentially similar to what I think I'm seeing on Gill's boat - If I'm not mistaken, I think the red handle on the tramp is attached to the small line connected to the spinlock on the rear of the main beam that you mention - which I think is the same as what the Infusion has. The separate tack line seems reasonable to me. | | | Re: Singlehanded boat setup
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#209143 04/22/10 03:47 AM 04/22/10 03:47 AM |
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Posts: 9,582 North-West Europe | Its faster to have a seperate tack/halyard. You can pull the tack before the offset/windward mark that way.
I want to see you do that singlehanded in a contested fleet. Wouter
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#209148 04/22/10 05:22 AM 04/22/10 05:22 AM |
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Posts: 954 Mumbles Y.C Wales U.K | Wouter, you can do it from the wire. You just have your tack line fed to the outside of the front beam and then set parallel to the starboard hull with a bunjee take up. Trust me I used this system at the UK 2007 Nationals. However, I found it a bit to unreliable especially when you happen to trip the tack whilst gybing!! It's also a bit scary if you get a bit carried away with your new toy and pull the tack out a bit to soon and the spi starts to fill backwards whilst creeping out of the chute prior to the mark rounding. Therefore, I think the double line system suits the two up's better and due to the simplicity of the single line system it benefits the singlehander. Scooby enjoys tinkering with various elaborate systems I wonder what his preference is? MP*MULTIHULLS | | | Re: Singlehanded boat setup
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#209157 04/22/10 07:37 AM 04/22/10 07:37 AM |
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Posts: 4,118 Northfield Mn | AHPC seems to have settled on having a single line halyard/tack system with the head-to-head block up the mast rather than on the spin pole. What are the advantages of the location on the mast? Its the only way you can run a internal tack line, with a combo line. | | | Re: Singlehanded boat setup
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#209161 04/22/10 08:18 AM 04/22/10 08:18 AM |
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Posts: 6,049 Sebring, Florida. | Karl, with your system, have you ever accidently -tripped- the halyard [and tack line] loose with your feet, during a gybe?
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Posts: 6,049 Sebring, Florida. | Ditto, I've tried it both ways and I prefer two lines both solo and two up. As Gilo said, it keeps the spin from going under the bow if you've got to stop snuffing to steer!
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Posts: 3,528 Looking for a Job, I got credi... | Scooby enjoys tinkering with various elaborate systems I wonder what his preference is? Single line for me. Just pull and it goes up; juys pull and it comes down.... I do however have some clever stuff on the mast rotation adjustment.... Pull a line on the boom and the rotation is let "fully off". As the kite goes into the bag; it's re-set to the same place it was when it was let "fully off".
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