Who's coming,

So Far,
Me (Unko)
Mick Floyd
Tim S i think, need to confirm
Somers People (not Mossies)
2 x Hobie 16's

Yep, Im there!

Hey Trev,

Race 2..... nice

Hi all,

whats with the Mosquito with spinnaker results? Results don't show the Yardstick but at a guess it was wrong.

Gary

The divisions were quite strange... but essentially what I saw was

Matt Stone and Tim Sheppard goign blow for blow for the first three races - not much between them!

Just a toy was there day one and was a little further back!

Matt was the best of the mozzy's with Tim not completing the final two races due to an altercation (read sickening collision) with a Taipan - Tim's boat is fine... the Taipan is minus its port bow!

Only 4 mozzies all up this year.

The boats with kites were sailing on the F-16 Yardstick. (nb I had nothing to do with the organisation of the regatta!)

Gary,

The yardstick was right on Saturday, but was changed the next morning to the f16 yardstick due to complains of mossie with spin. I did approach the committee but wasn't sure of what to do or say about the matter.
I was very annoyed that i was on the same yardstick as Greg Goodall who sailed a sloop by himself which i believed was wrong, making him have an unfair advantage over the division.

Saw tims boat just before. Mozzi-2...... good! Taipan-1.5
(no offence meant to taipan sailors)

Hi all,

this is outrageous treatment of the Mosquito with spinnaker class, if the yardstick was adjusted the least the club should have done was explain there actions to those involved. If no explenation is forthcoming from PMYC this week, I would like to see the Victorian Mosquito Association make a formal aproch to PMYC, pulling no punches and telling them they will be reported to YV and boycotted by the Mosquito Class Association.

Should have known, Mossie Association already on to it and dialogue is taking place with PMYC, should all turn out OK. Don't need to get Thrice Mad.

I'm a little confused?!!!

Aren't Mosquitos with Kites - F16?

YV allocated a handicap for the Mosquito with Spinnaker in 2003 (Before the F16 was listed). All results from every season have been sent in to the YV handicapper. The handicap has been adjusted twice in that time, and is currently set at 80. This is a tentative handicap (like most other classes)

The history of Mosquitos with the F16 class is this. Back around 2004 the first Mosquitoes rigged with spinnakers took part in F16 events, partly to boost the F16 numbers while the F16 class was finding its feet in Australia, and partly for the fun of chasing (and sometimes catching) faster boats around the course. At that time most F16s in Australia were either Taipans or Mosquitoes. These days there are F16s designed to the box rule such as the Blade and Viper which have raised the performance of F16s to their expected level (ie. close to F18s and A-classes). Consequently the Mosquitoes are not active with the F16s anymore.

Cheers,

Actually they weren't Mitch. They were sailing on 71.
F16s are 71.5

Right you are Tim! My Mistake - The Viper and Mozzy were both off 71... I think that was the F16 yardstick in 2008!?

The F18's were racing off 70.. they are now 69... I think PMYC might have an outdated version of TopYacht!

From teh other numbers in use I think they are using the 2006 handicaps.

I often hear people complain that YV never update the handicaps, but they do make changes every year which are mostly ignored by many of the clubs.

It would help if YV could make available an update file for TopYacht. At least the clubs that use TY could then be up to date.

I see, so the mosquito with spinnaker can no longer sail with the F16's?

Hi Farmer,

again you seem to be jumping to the wrong conclusion. Seeing you are having trouble understanding what we are trying to explain, perhaps if you let us know what you sail and where we could relate it to some classes you know about. You could even let us know who you are if you like, as that may help as well. Happy to explain by PM if you don't want to do it here.

Hi Farmer,

Mosquito with Spin is a class in its own right that is a "Grandfathered" boat in F16. As such it is welcome to participate in F16 events even though it is not built to the box rule. I refer you to my previous post regarding history as to why this is so.

Skippers may choose to enter F16 events or not, as is their want, but when doing so they would sail as an F16 against all comers that meet the rules though given some of the fantastic F16 designs that now grace our waters I think it would be a tall order.

The reason for a different YV handicap for Mosquito with Spin and a modern F16 design would IMHO be rather obvious to anyone who had rigged his Mozzie next to a Viper or Blade

I love my Mozzie... but I love "fair" racing just a little bit more.

Cheers

Just had a look at the results, doesn't look like they have been fixed yet.
http://www.yachting.org.au/site/yachting/results/pmyc/2009/club/or/series.htm

Guess I was right about the Mozzy getting confused with an F16
http://www.catsailor.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=157906#Post157906

Any details on the smash Tim?

Darryn

Thanks my questions have been answered now.

The Farmer
Flying 15
Mosquito
Taipan
125

my understanding was this was a handicap event not a F16 event with all other class sailing to their handicap etc...

so the mossies should not have been grouped with the F16 just because some sailed with kites

Hi all,

Results still not fixed but here's hoping. A apology has been made by PMYC for the mistake.