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#212353 06/01/10 11:31 AM 06/01/10 11:31 AM |
Joined: Jun 2001 Posts: 12,310 South Carolina Jake
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Posts: 12,310 South Carolina | Also, should have talked about the lack of a positive lock. I don't think you need one of these or even really want one. I've had no problems staying on the hook, even after getting my feet washed off the boat and being dragged underwater at 15 knots. I ,situationally, disagree with this. The "keeper" is absolutely necessary on some trap set-ups and beneficial on some others. The ring won't fall out while your trapping or getting dragged underwater(What's up with that, Trey?Get your crew in line)it'll come off when sitting on deck,preparing to go out or transitioning. My marks harness doesn't have one, my distance harness does. I've been dropped off the side with my marks harness because of that.Not as big a deal on a w/l ,but certainly a big deal offshore. To each his own. I cut all my keepers off - I've never experienced a time that I needed it (unless my bunji on my trap wasn't working correctly for some reason). I cut the keepers off because I was sometimes getting fooled into thinking I was hooked in when I was not...which sucks when you're sailing an a-cat and there's nobody to come back to get you.
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#212354 06/01/10 11:36 AM 06/01/10 11:36 AM |
Joined: Jun 2001 Posts: 3,293 Long Beach, California John Williams
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Posts: 3,293 Long Beach, California | JC made my keeper into a nice piece of jewelry that I have to wear for a year.
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#212359 06/01/10 11:57 AM 06/01/10 11:57 AM |
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Posts: 976 France | BTW I sailed a 49er as a crew recently, and the #1 annoyance was the trapeze system where the ring is pulled down by the shock cord. Not only it is pulled down but when you stand up the ring height at standstill is lower than the hook on your harness. And you spend your time running around standing up on those boats! So you end up having one of your hand just to keep the damn ring from falling of. Considering you need at least 3 hands and quick feet to manage the crazy amount of unstable sail area this didn't go well really. I mentioned to the boat owner that IMHO those were rigged incorrectly, but it seems the norm in the skiff world: . Miss the hook on a cat you have half a chance to recover as long as you grab onto something. Miss the hook on a 49er you take a bath and the boat capsizes instantly. | | | Re: Favorite trapeze harness
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#212364 06/01/10 12:55 PM 06/01/10 12:55 PM |
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Posts: 3,224 Roanoke Island ,N.C. | BTW I sailed a 49er as a crew recently, and the #1 annoyance was the trapeze system where the ring is pulled down by the shock cord. Not only it is pulled down but when you stand up the ring height at standstill is lower than the hook on your harness. And you spend your time running around standing up on those boats! So you end up having one of your hand just to keep the damn ring from falling of. Considering you need at least 3 hands and quick feet to manage the crazy amount of unstable sail area this didn't go well really. I mentioned to the boat owner that IMHO those were rigged incorrectly, but it seems the norm in the skiff world: . Miss the hook on a cat you have half a chance to recover as long as you grab onto something. Miss the hook on a 49er you take a bath and the boat capsizes instantly. Thanks for making my point on the keeper AFTER disagreeing with me.
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#212366 06/01/10 01:04 PM 06/01/10 01:04 PM | MarkMT
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#212368 06/01/10 01:35 PM 06/01/10 01:35 PM |
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Posts: 976 France | Thanks for making my point on the keeper AFTER disagreeing with me. Hu? I think you are misreading what I said. On the 49er they don't want keepers, ever. But most of them rig they hooks in a way that auto detach you unless you keep your hand on it. I think keeper == bad and pull down rings == bad. No keeper and a pull up ring is the best combination. So yup, I disagree with you | | | Re: Favorite trapeze harness
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#212371 06/01/10 02:21 PM 06/01/10 02:21 PM |
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Posts: 3,224 Roanoke Island ,N.C. | Thanks for making my point on the keeper AFTER disagreeing with me. Hu? I think you are misreading what I said. On the 49er they don't want keepers, ever. But most of them rig they hooks in a way that auto detach you unless you keep your hand on it. I think keeper == bad and pull down rings == bad. No keeper and a pull up ring is the best combination. So yup, I disagree with you Yep, keeping one hand on your hook sounds real efficient. To clarify all of my rings, on the A and the 20 ,pull up. I still like the idea of the keeper for offshore distance racing.2nd day of the Tybee this year is a perfect example. We were getting knocked around right much. I was on deck and the trap served as much as a lifeline as a trapeze.I was hooked and I knew it. Without a keeper the violent motion of the boat alone could have easily unhooked it. One less thing to worry about in the nasty stuff. Like I said before "To each his own".
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