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Re: Is it time to kick Macca into touch. [Re: macca] #212216
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And if any of you ... ever wanting my help, you know the answer..



With friends like you who needs enemies ?


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... if you have multiple threads all targeting one individual who's views are supported by many of their peers in the top of their profession ...



Actually many of these sailors don't agree with you.

Must I really post a few youtube video's as well ?


I clearly remember mr Casey arguing to leave the F16 class rules alone. Then we have the Blade and Falcon builder arguing the same and he is one of the guys who according to Greg is doing the impossible (and as such is proving Greg and you are wrong). Then I can't shake the memory of the most successful cat sailor of this day saying that he felt the Tornado move to have carbon masts was one of the best decisions ever and that he sees the fact that the F16 class also allows these in a similar light.

John Casey interview http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9gm8pvxwyE
Matt McDonald interview http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aRR1zCnd0uc

I known that you have FIGJAM complex Macca, but that doesn't mean that your (unhinged) opinions are at all shared by your peers.

Wouter

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Re: Is it time to kick Macca into touch. [Re: waynemarlow] #212217
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Take Gregs statement that an optimised F16 will cost more than an A class.



I can by an Bimare A-class for 16.000 Euro.

Therefore the same statement appears to also hold for the F18's

Smoke and mirrors, smoke and mirrors all around.

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Re: Is it time to kick Macca into touch. [Re: waynemarlow] #212330
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Originally Posted by waynemarlow
Originally Posted by Dazz

As much as i hate to add fuel to the fire. 3.00 minutes into the interview "the price would be more than an a-class"

Must be something Australian to call a spade a spade, have you forgotten that Wayne?


Sadly that is the problem, all Aussie's seem to be taking everything a Aussie says as being gospel, they need to look further outside Australia and they will find another outlook.

Take Gregs statement that an optimised F16 will cost more than an A class. We have in one corner a fully carboned masted Falcon, in the other corner a Marstrom A, both state of the art, built to weight and class rules, which do you think would be the most costliest. cool



I dont support "Macca's" banter & certainly do not appreciate your your attacck on Aussies as dogs.

Waynemarlow - maybe you need to be banned from this forum.?


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Re: Is it time to kick Macca into touch. [Re: Marcus F16] #212335
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Originally Posted by Marcus F16

I dont support "Macca's" banter & certainly do not appreciate your your attacck on Aussies as dogs.


The very first sentence in this thread was "And so the Aussie dogs are back snapping at the heels of the class", if you want to misconstrue those words as to meaning all Aussies are dogs, then thats your problem I'm afraid. tired

Re: Is it time to kick Macca into touch. [Re: waynemarlow] #212338
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What breed do you have in mind? Blue heeler perhaps, an Oz breed that can do the work of 5 blokes? Obviously pedigree....

Woof...

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The last blue heeler we had on my fathers farm was put down, guess what for, snapping at the heels of everything and sundry grin couldn't stop him, just did it over and over until we got so miffed by the damage he was causing, I'm afraid he had to go. And that is a true story.

Re: Is it time to kick Macca into touch. [Re: waynemarlow] #212350
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We've got a young Blue Heeler, 3 labs, 1 Jack Russel and 1 toy poodle. The toy poodle is the smartest of the bunch, but the blue heeler is the most fun! He can jump 5 feet straight up!! He won't get out of the lake and loves sailing on the Prindle.


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Great dogs but constantly " busy ".

Looked up Wikipedia and it bought something back to me about them

"They have a distinctive intense, high-pitched bark which can be particularly irritating ".

Re: Is it time to kick Macca into touch. [Re: waynemarlow] #212355
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[humor]Maybe it's Wayne's NZ origin that's making him bark at the aussie's dogs[/humor].

Hey Wayne, when are you going to join the Wednesday evening sailing series? We've seen you only once this year!

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Originally Posted by pepin
Maybe it's Wayne's NZ origin that's making him bark at the aussie's dogs[/humor].



Oooh now that is going to open a hornets nest.

Will be back either tomorrow night or next week at latest, been concentrating on sorting out some work problems which means I have been working 7 days a week for the last 3 weeks, but nearly sorted so usual play will resume.

Re: Is it time to kick Macca into touch. [Re: waynemarlow] #212380
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[/nzbash]Pepin, your not providing the right atmosphere that Wayne is comfortable with. Now you have to keep this between us...

first your going to need some supplies...

gum boots
velcro gloves
lipstick - ruby red
barry white cd's
blow up sheep.. preferably black.

If you can find a deserted paddock that would be ideal.

yeah thats right, NZ where the men are men and the sheep are nervous!!![/nzbash]

Now i have that off my chest smile

I only posted the utube of greg because wouter keeps going around saying "i dont know where these prices are coming from" and "i hope its not a manufacturer saying this" well wouter now you know.







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Re: Is it time to kick Macca into touch. [Re: Dazz] #212397
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Choosing to build a high volume hull was a design and marketing decision on Gregs part. One might say the Viper is, in essence, a length compressed (rather than globally scaled down), modified F18 Capricorn, or a for lack of a better description, a stubby F18. His design path proves to be fast in capable hands (as is the Blade & Falcon). To me this is not a drawback, but one of the beauties of the box rule...it lets Greg or anyone else for that matter, explore the design limits of the F16 within the box rules even if they do not take advantage of maximizing the platform in all areas.

Choosing to make the boat well above the minimum weight and asking for the rules to change is little different than someone making an F16 16.8% longer than the box rule (which is arrived at by dividing 125kg Viper weight by the 107Kg minimum box rule weight, which would translate to 5m X 1.168 or 5.84m /19-2 length boat) and wanting the rule on length to be increased to accommodate one builder. This, despite the fact that the rest of the boat building community has designed and built F16's to the stated 5m rule. I dont think anyone in their right mind would propose such a change in length, so why is weight any different?

Greg knew the rules before he designed the Viper and consciously designed outside the optimum parameters, obviously he felt the increase in volume would offset the disadvantage of the increased weight. Only Greg knows his production costs and what he needs to charge to make a profit...it may very well cost him more than an "A" cat (although after listening thru the video twice I didn't hear him put a specific dollar amount on it). That does not change the fact that other builders are building F16 catamarans within the rules that are at, or very close to minimum weight at a reasonable price....some 15K (US dollars) less than the proposed $35K price that is being thrown about. Leave the rules alone!

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Greg knew the rules before he designed the Viper and consciously designed outside the optimum parameters



In fact the F16 class rules were set at 107 kg minimum weight to allow AHPC's preceding product, the Taipan 4.9 in F16 attire, to be a full compliant F16 on weight. The Taipan was in fact a foundation boat of the class and so it would do no good in forcing it to carry 15-25 kg of lead to be compliant)

We made the class rules in 2001 and the Viper was launched in 2007. No-one can't blame the class founders for not having consulting the "cristal ball".

Additionally, I regulary get a chuckle out of realizing we first needed to lower the class weight to accomodate an AHPC product only to be faced with a request to raise it in favour of another AHPC product.

Obviously we (or AHPC) can't have it both ways.

Wouter


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Re: Is it time to kick Macca into touch. [Re: Dazz] #212409
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Originally Posted by Dazz
[/nzbash]Pepin, your not providing the right atmosphere that Wayne is comfortable with. Now you have to keep this between us...

first your going to need some supplies...

gum boots
velcro gloves
lipstick - ruby red
barry white cd's
blow up sheep.. preferably black.

If you can find a deserted paddock that would be ideal.

yeah thats right, NZ where the men are men and the sheep are nervous!!![/nzbash]

Now i have that off my chest smile

I only posted the utube of greg because wouter keeps going around saying "i dont know where these prices are coming from" and "i hope its not a manufacturer saying this" well wouter now you know.







Thread drift, this is an Aussie bashing thread not a kiwi bashing one!

I don't agree with Macca on F16 weights, I sail solo and the weight issue is a practical one when launching, recovering and righting. It's just a hunch, but I guessing increasing the minimum weight would make the boat much less attractive as a uni platform.

But don't ban him because you don't agree, just ignore him if you have to. It's pretty obvious he's throwing stuff out to see who's going to bite most of the time. Can be quite entertaining! It's like a sailing version of the classic Aussie cricket tactic of 'sledging'!

....Mark Waugh standing at second slip, the new player (Adam Parore) comes to the crease playing & missing the first ball. Mark - "Ohh, I remember you from a couple years ago in Australia. You were [censored] then you're [censored] useless now". Parore- (Turning around) "Yeah, that's me & when I was there you were going out with that old, ugly [censored] & now I hear you've married her. You dumb [censored]".

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One for Dazz

How do you stop 100 Aussie men dead in their tracks. One bark from an Aussie Sheila

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Hale and Pace came out to Australia for a tour (one of my favorite British comedy duo's)

Hale: Us British gave you Australian's Cricket.... and what did you give us?????

Pace: A flogging!

Hale looks at Pace oddly!

well it cracked me up smile


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Bet the Americans don't get that one

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Originally Posted by waynemarlow
One for Dazz

How do you stop 100 Aussie men dead in their tracks. One bark from an Aussie Sheila


What's ay hindu









Lays eiggs a bro grin


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Another classic cricket sledge + even better response:


After Brandes played & missed at a McGrath delivery, the Aussie bowler politely enquired: "Oi, Brandes, why are you so fat?" "Cos every time I f**k your wife she gives me a biscuit," Brandes replied.

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I like that one not sure about the less PC one above.

I always though the sheep and wellington gumboots jokes were aimed at the Welsh, must have been away from NZ too long. grin

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