| New weight categories, effective now. #216273 07/21/10 03:24 PM 07/21/10 03:24 PM |
Joined: Jun 2001 Posts: 3,293 Long Beach, California John Williams OP
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Posts: 3,293 Long Beach, California | Hi Folks - Another issue that I haven't seen discussed (which surprises me) is the new weight classification that came out of the World Council meeting in Erquy. Crew weight change submission (Florence Delory). Change actual class rules crew limitations C.3.2 (a) (3) by : • Crew between 135 kg and 150 kg may use the large jib and large spinnaker and then shall carry extra weight equal to half the difference between their actual weight and 150 kg. • Crew between 130 kg and 135 kg may use the large jib and large spinnaker and then shall carry extra weight equal to the difference between their actual weight and 135 kg + 7,5 kg. The proposal is modified as follow before the vote : The crew weight change will be in force as experimentation for all events from July 2010 until December 2011.
The proposal is voted and accepted Voted YES: GBR (6), IRL (3), HUN (3), ESP (4), FRA (18), BEL (12), GER (14): 60 votes Voted NO : USA (8), NED (16), Italy (14) : 38 votes
This rule is in effect for the Championship regatta in Racine.
John Williams
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After watching Lionel Messi play, I realize I need to sail harder.
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#216274 07/21/10 03:43 PM 07/21/10 03:43 PM |
Joined: Jun 2001 Posts: 3,906 Clermont, FL, USA David Ingram
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Posts: 3,906 Clermont, FL, USA | The minutes haven't been finalized so only those that were there know about it.
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#216277 07/21/10 04:18 PM 07/21/10 04:18 PM |
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Posts: 3,293 Long Beach, California | Ah. Well, now it is out there. Those of you making plans for Racine, make note. Much more headache for the folks at weigh-in than for any competitor. Guess we need to update the weight chart inside the scales case. ;-)
John Williams
- The harder you practice, the luckier you get - Gary Player, pro golfer
After watching Lionel Messi play, I realize I need to sail harder.
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#216294 07/22/10 12:47 AM 07/22/10 12:47 AM |
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Posts: 1,203 uk | Why more head ache at the weigh in? Competitors register, get weighed and the the weights are posted on the notice board. What's different? Its up to the sailors to decide what size rig they are using and carry the right amount of lead. The new ruling just means that less crews have to use the small sails
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#216326 07/22/10 09:11 AM 07/22/10 09:11 AM |
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Posts: 3,293 Long Beach, California | Hi Paul -
Maybe just more headache for me, then. I had the "old" way sorted out in my mind, and my neurological pathways are becoming calcified. From another angle, someone who shows up with 12kgs will have to be creative to meet the rule on placement...
I raced for a couple of seasons at 130kg on the small sails very competitively. I disagreed with the reasons presented for the change, but thems the breaks - the vote is now history, and barring any aberrant race results in the next year or so, this will probably become permanent.
John Williams
- The harder you practice, the luckier you get - Gary Player, pro golfer
After watching Lionel Messi play, I realize I need to sail harder.
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#223996 11/12/10 04:28 PM 11/12/10 04:28 PM |
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Posts: 10 | hi guys-- I'm still wrapping my head around this and hoping someone can clarify. Crew weight change submission (Florence Delory). Change actual class rules crew limitations C.3.2 (a) (3) by : • Crew between 135 kg and 150 kg may use the large jib and large spinnaker and then shall carry extra weight equal to half the difference between their actual weight and 150 kg. • Crew between 130 kg and 135 kg may use the large jib and large spinnaker and then shall carry extra weight equal to the difference between their actual weight and 135 kg + 7,5 kg. I've reread this about a dozen times and for the life of me can't figure out what the point is in introducing the 135 kg threshold. My math sucks, but can't you just collapse both of these bullet points into one: Crew between 130 kg and 150 kg may use the large jib and large spinnaker and then shall carry extra weight equal to half the difference between their actual weight and 150 kg.Why bother with the 130-135 interval? Doesn't it all amount to the same thing? What am I missing? I'd like to get confirmation on summary like rhodysail. Here's what I'm reading though: Weight — Jib/Spinnaker Size — Corrector Weight
< 115 — You don't sail. 115-130 — small sails — half of distance to 130 130-140 OPTION 1 — small sails — no weight 130-140 OPTION 2 — large sails — half of distance to 150 140-150 — large sails — half of distance to 150 > 150 — large sails — no weightC.3.2 (b) (2) has not been stricken from the rules. The revised C.3.2 (b) (3)—the meeting minutes mistakenly identify the changed rule as C.3.2 (a) (3), but it's obvious what they mean—just opens up an alternative for the 130-140 interval (with a bunch of unnecessary gobbledegook about 135...). Non? | | | Re: New weight categories, effective now.
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Posts: 3,293 Long Beach, California | Hi Pinax -
The rule was passed partly on the idea that lighter crews buying used boats (with big sails) did not have the budget to buy new small sails. You always have the option to use small sails at ANY weight category.
One of the reasons the US Class opposed this rule in July was because it adds confusion... obviously so...
John Williams
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After watching Lionel Messi play, I realize I need to sail harder.
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Posts: 297 | The weight advantage of crews is repeatedly reflected in the results during drifters. Its driving combined crew weights to minimum weights. Most I have spoken with think the changes suck.
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Posts: 297 | In fact, is there any way to get the crew weights from the world's? The sample size may be large enough to correlate with wind speed to see just how bad the big teams are getting hit in the light stuff
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Posts: 246 Kiel, Germany | ... just out of curiousity: when you are at the border between small and large sails, are you allowed to change the sails with the appropriate weights during a regatta? Like small sails on a windy day, large sails at low winds?
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