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Re: Multihulls and the Olympics [Re: JeffS] #221996
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if the hobie 16 gets selected as the new olympiuc catamaran, im going to the next ISAF meeting and im going to climb the clocktower........... youve been warned you old pompous so and so's.....

DONT DO IT!!!


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Re: Multihulls and the Olympics [Re: engineer] #222027
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no dont sail a Tornado these days.. Too old slow and fat..

Re: Multihulls and the Olympics [Re: Stewart] #222039
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here we go! Seatbelts on.


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Re: Multihulls and the Olympics [Re: Jake] #222056
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What happened to, "any multihull, as long as we have an event?"


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After watching Lionel Messi play, I realize I need to sail harder.
Re: Multihulls and the Olympics [Re: John Williams] #222057
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any multihull is great as long as its not "slow and fat".

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Re: Multihulls and the Olympics [Re: Capt_Cardiac] #222058
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Did we go to high school together??


John Williams

- The harder you practice, the luckier you get -
Gary Player, pro golfer

After watching Lionel Messi play, I realize I need to sail harder.
Re: Multihulls and the Olympics [Re: Brian P] #222060
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Originally Posted by Brian P
if the hobie 16 gets selected as the new olympiuc catamaran, im going to the next ISAF meeting and im going to climb the clocktower...........


You gonna jump?

Re: Multihulls and the Olympics [Re: SurfCityRacing] #222072
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Did you know.......
The Hobie 16 is sailed competetively in more countries around the world than any other catamaran....
I had my suspicions, but I only just found that out.
It just may get over the line after all!!!!!


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Re: Multihulls and the Olympics [Re: engineer] #222078
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Hopefully the Hobie Class would decline the offer if the 16 was selected.

Re: Multihulls and the Olympics [Re: SurfCityRacing] #222080
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Originally Posted by SurfCityRacing
Originally Posted by Brian P
if the hobie 16 gets selected as the new olympiuc catamaran, im going to the next ISAF meeting and im going to climb the clocktower...........


You gonna jump?


To both comments: I pissed my pants a little bit. Thanks for that. That's just funny!


I'm boatless.
Re: Multihulls and the Olympics [Re: rhodysail] #222082
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Originally Posted by rhodysail
Hopefully the Hobie Class would decline the offer if the 16 was selected.


The IHCA has declined in the past.


John Williams

- The harder you practice, the luckier you get -
Gary Player, pro golfer

After watching Lionel Messi play, I realize I need to sail harder.
Re: Multihulls and the Olympics [Re: John Williams] #222091
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Originally Posted by John Williams
Originally Posted by rhodysail
Hopefully the Hobie Class would decline the offer if the 16 was selected.


The IHCA has declined in the past.


as did the A Class (IACA)


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Re: Multihulls and the Olympics [Re: Brian P] #222092
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The sleek modern lines of a hobie remind me of a banana.Get in line Brian!

Re: Multihulls and the Olympics [Re: Devon] #222116
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I find it interesting that everyone (here) wants multihulls back in the olympics......as long as it's not their class.


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Re: Multihulls and the Olympics [Re: ksurfer2] #222119
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The Olympics used to drive the elite levels of cat racing. It was the primary mechanism that generated sailing stars. When these sailors dropped down to F18's or A class or Hobie 16's, Everyone took notice and tried to raise their game.

Loosing the Olympics and not having a gran prix circuit is a problem for the elite level of our sport. Nevertheless, As you point out... We need Olympics.... but not on the boat that I sail is a common theme... The Olympic class will be run to satisfy the small number of olympic sailors and not the larger class.

The great news is that the AC magically moved our way. Hopefully the beach cat world can find a way to use this ultimate stage to strengthen and grow the sport at the elite level. The Olympics would then diminish in importance.

Till we figure it out... The Olympics is still important.... We hope they figure it out.


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Re: Multihulls and the Olympics [Re: Mark Schneider] #222126
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Why does the olympic multi have to be a current class? Many times before a boat has been designed just for the olympics. ISAF could come up with design parameters and let the builders submit prototypes and commitments. Let ISAF select the best boat. Lock that boat in for the next 3 olympics. This may not be the best solution for 2016 but may be the best for long term.

Re: Multihulls and the Olympics [Re: Mark Schneider] #222127
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Dear Cat Fans,

There is now a serious risk that Sailing could be dropped from the Olympics
in the new era of competition between sports for limited slots. The ISAF
Annual Conference in Athens between 5th and 13th November is a good
opportunity to improve Sailing's chances by introducing more
high-performance events including multi-hulls once more for 2016.

This is on its agenda because the Executive proposes that the decision be
brought forward to this year and the Events Committee recommends that the
Olympic Regatta includes a Mixed Multihull Event - a solution that we first
suggested in our 2008 Report.

However it also has many 5x2 submissions for one Event each for Men and one
for Women in five distinct disciplines - One Person Dinghy, Two Person
Dinghy. Keelboat, Multihull and Windsurfer.

These maximise telegenic high-performance boats and therefore TV revenues,
which may prove to be the decisive factor. They are also the most logical and
comprehensible for non-sailors.

Here is our new Report on this crucial issue. See http://www.catamaran.co.uk for
background information on the last campaign and http://www.multihull2016.com for
progress of this one.

Please express your views politely to your national representative(s) at the
Conference.



He is Phil Jones and can be emailed at phil.jones@yachting.org.au


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Re: Multihulls and the Olympics [Re: Mark Schneider] #222128
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Why does everyone see it as such a detriment to their class? I think it's clear that if they were to go with an F18 or an A-cat that it would be a SMOD from within that Formula rule that if it didn't evolve might become sort-of irrelevant, or at least semi-distant, to the class as hull shapes and foils evolve elsewhere.

With the Hobie 16 - I don't understand the hesitation...if the class was controlled within the existing (and very unchanging) ruleset as a SMOD - what's the drawback? More high-end competition?

Is it fear of an arms race? How many times have we heard threat of that issue that never came to fruition?

Is it a deep seated fear of fierce competition?

Is it a fear of more formality within the class?

What is it?


Jake Kohl
Re: Multihulls and the Olympics [Re: orphan] #222129
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I have submitted the inter 17 as a proposed mixed olympic class catamaran as it fits closest the niche required for a new olympic mixed cat without taking away from any other classes, would love your feed back on this Australian made carbon/kevlar cat
Nacra 17
DESIGNER: Ross Guinea
BUILDERS: Brisbane Catamaran Centre
LENGTH: 5.3m (173)
BEAM: 2.45m (8)
DRAFT: n/a
DISPLACEMENT: 125kg (275lb)
SAIL AREA: 21sqm (226sqft)
SPINNAKER: 16sqm (172sqft) and 20sqm (215sqft) The Nacra 17 is by far the most advanced sports
catamaran in today's market. Its advanced hull
design and high aspect boards and rudders make it
a pleasure to sail. With a range of standard features
including: Self Tacking Jib, Mid Pole Snuffer System,
Square Top Mainsail and Kevlar/Carbon lay up. The
Nacra 17 has the ability to match the performance
of much larger cats. The Nacra 17 has been
designed for mid weight crews (120 - 155kg) and
with its pointing and tacking ability as well as ease of
spinnaker use, the Nacra 17 will be the spinnaker
catamaran of the future.

Mobile: +61 400 701 878 Fax: +61 (2) 9953 6697 Email: james@nacraxtreme.com Web: www.nacraxtreme.com


Re: Multihulls and the Olympics [Re: Devon] #222133
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How many of these kevlar I17s have been built?

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