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Sloop-Rigged A-Class Cat? #226685
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Tried earlier to post-unsuccessfully--trying again...

I hear that Randy Smyth is racing a sloop-riged A-Cat in the Keys this weekend and that he was first to the beach after the single race sailed yesterday.

Anyone know about this? Photos? What do you think? Will it be an improvement to a already well-developed rig?

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Re: Sloop-Rigged A-Class Cat? [Re: 49er] #226686
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A picture of the rig is in this thread on the SA site:

http://forums.sailinganarchy.com/index.php?showtopic=117565

Not sure why Randy wanted a couple of goobers in the photo though.

The race they had yesterday got tossed due to a lack of wind and Monday Randy had a jib track issue and had to retire. They have some breeze today so today's report should be a bit more interesting.


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Re: Sloop-Rigged A-Class Cat? [Re: David Ingram] #226687
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Is there a thread or site that has updates on the race where the boat is sailing?

Re: Sloop-Rigged A-Class Cat? [Re: 49er] #226688
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Bob is only updating the forum thread I've referenced in this post. They aren't updating the A-cat site and they haven't posted any results yet.


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Re: Sloop-Rigged A-Class Cat? [Re: David Ingram] #226696
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I'm hearing racing today may be blown out with too much breeze. We'll see.

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I'm hearing racing today may be blown out with too much breeze. We'll see.

Re: Sloop-Rigged A-Class Cat? [Re: Lost in Translation] #226708
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What?

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Re: Sloop-Rigged A-Class Cat? [Re: Timbo] #226711
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looks a lot like this :P

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Re: Sloop-Rigged A-Class Cat? [Re: Dazz] #226714
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looks like it's blowin' like stink.

...gotta luv the fat head jib...

...wishing all competitors, the RC, and guests, Godspeed from the panhandle - B

Re: Sloop-Rigged A-Class Cat? [Re: catandahalf] #226716
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Think sloop rig will divide the class like it is in the F16's? Sloop rig kills over 8 knots, uni rules under 8 knots. Think a spinaker fleet is around the corner?

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It seems that it looks as though,

there is a small 'bar' so to speak on the top of the jib, to help keep the slot open.

Or is that just me seeing things and dreaming?


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Re: Sloop-Rigged A-Class Cat? [Re: JMAC] #226719
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Don't think so. Developments are the norm in A's. People are always trying things to see if they are faster and we already have boats set up in many different ways. Sloop rigs have been tried before and dissappeared like the dodo because they weren't faster. This time around who knows. There are new materials and techniques, and very smart people having a go. That's what we do in this class - have a go.

As far as kites go, a small number of people have added kites just for recreation. But as soon as you add a kite it's not an A Class. The sail area limitation for the ISAF category rules that out unless the total sail are remains with 13.94sq metres. There are plenty of great boats around designed for kites for those who prefer to use them. We revel in the challenge of going fast downwind without adding large amounts of sail. It's about efficiency and rig adjustment and technique for us. Each to their own.

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Re: Sloop-Rigged A-Class Cat? [Re: David Ingram] #226740
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Originally Posted by David Ingram
Bob is only updating the forum thread I've referenced in this post. They aren't updating the A-cat site and they haven't posted any results yet.


Sounds like they need some media down there. grin

That's nothing you should see him row the damn thing. [Re: 49er] #226766
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Take a look at the video. Randy started paddling the A cat at 7am that morning this video was taken around 3pm at the 45mile mark. He is beating most of the kayakers. Tiller attached to his foot. He is a machine.

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Re: Sloop-Rigged A-Class Cat? [Re: JMAC] #226772
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Originally Posted by JMAC
Think sloop rig will divide the class like it is in the F16's? Sloop rig kills over 8 knots, uni rules under 8 knots. Think a spinaker fleet is around the corner?


Hardly a worthwhile comparison, f16 sloop is raced two up uni raced solo . A class sloop or uni will only ever race in class solo , f16 sloop has greater sail area overall than uni , A class sloop will have same overall sail area as uni .

would be intresting to see what the SCHRS handicap system would make of the two setups though as its considered a "fair " indication of performance against the reality of on the water results in this champion ship .


spinnaker set ups have been perfected on a class over the last few yeas with no significant take up outside class racing

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Originally Posted by Codblow

would be intresting to see what the SCHRS handicap system would make of the two setups though as its considered a "fair " indication of performance against the reality of on the water results in this champion ship .


As we already know the SCHRS handicap penalises heavily the lighter boats. With the F16 Uni, if a blade jib of only 2.0 msq was added, would rate considerably faster than a fully sorted Tornado. Now that just aint goner happen and shows just how far out the SCHRS is as a handicap system.

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Originally Posted by Just Todd
It seems that it looks as though,

there is a small 'bar' so to speak on the top of the jib, to help keep the slot open.

Or is that just me seeing things and dreaming?


It looks like there is a small prodder just above the jib - look at the forestay; there is a small change in angle at the prodder.

Also wonder why there is a line from the hounds that then goes out of picture...

Also wonder what is supporting the jib below the point where the bridals meet the forestay; I do not see a second set of bridals lower down!


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The line from the hounds is probably the trapeze line.
At Islandmorada , it's advisable to tie your A Class to a tree or someother heavy object.

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Originally Posted by scooby_simon
Originally Posted by Just Todd
It seems that it looks as though,

there is a small 'bar' so to speak on the top of the jib, to help keep the slot open.

Or is that just me seeing things and dreaming?


It looks like there is a small prodder just above the jib - look at the forestay; there is a small change in angle at the prodder.

Also wonder why there is a line from the hounds that then goes out of picture...

Also wonder what is supporting the jib below the point where the bridals meet the forestay; I do not see a second set of bridals lower down!


On other photo's theres another set of very light bridles at the bottom. Bare in mind that this bridle and forestay does not take the loading of the mast, only the jib, as the normal 2 front stays are as per normal A class " split stay ". The jib is only a "Blade " jib and does not come foward enough to the more normal front shroud mounting point.

We had a very long discussion last year on the F16 forum about these Blade jibs and the benefits they did or did not have to the Uni sailor. My argument that they may not produce max efficiency over a Uni main at top flight level, but will allow lessor ability sailors( the more recreational sailor ) to get their optimum efficiency out of the main ( virtually everyone agreed that running a jib allows much easier setting of the main ), can only help the class to get more level racing, I believe still stands.

It will be interesting to see the likes of this top level sailor and how he gets on with it. The one thing that will kill it off other than class racing, is the handicap hit this setup causes. Getting the likes of the SCHRS to react to these new rigs and light boats will be so slow as to kill off what could be an exciting new direction, before it starts.

Re: Sloop-Rigged A-Class Cat? [Re: waynemarlow] #226820
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It will be interesting to see the likes of this top level sailor and how he gets on with it. The one thing that will kill it off other than class racing, is the handicap hit this setup causes. Getting the likes of the SCHRS to react to these new rigs and light boats will be so slow as to kill off what could be an exciting new direction, before it starts. [/quote]


I'm not sure I understand this. In most handicapping systems an A Class is an A Class no matter what particular setup it uses. If it fits the A Class rules it gets the A Class rating. Also there are no new light boats - the minimum class weight is still 75kg. I've just weighed a number of DNA's and most were right on the weight with no correctors. One was just over and one just under and it was required to add correction for the regatta.

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