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#186026 07/23/09 08:31 PM 07/23/09 08:31 PM |
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Posts: 539 | As with so many things at the university it disappeared into that big black hole.
They did put a PHD student on the idea to see if he could develop it into a viable assignment. He contacted my once, I gave him a very good head start on nearly everything and then he disappeared of the face of the world. I dare say that he did the motions in order to not upset the professor who gave him the assignment but other then that deep sixed it.
May be contact me in 6 months or so and see if I'm still tickled by it ? Till then I have my hands full in getting the final report on my other research accepted.
Wouter No worries. But for latest foil development, here are the pics of the latest generation of foils. http://jamesgbr.blogspot.com/2009/07/faster-craft.html Not sailed in anger as of yet, but a number of boats at the worlds will have them. Difference from the M20 foils is that they have a flap that can be used to adjust height and reaction to wind/waves. The M20 foils have no such adjustability. They lift the boat once it hits a certain speed, but if you go too high then you run into the problems of ventilation. As soon as you get air bubbles across the surface of the foils they just stop working (like turbulence in a plane from air pockets). | | | Re: Foiling M20?!
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#186099 07/24/09 04:11 PM 07/24/09 04:11 PM |
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Posts: 805 Gainesville, FL 32607 USA | Very interesting progression of development- from Marstrom A-Bananas to higher-lifting M20 Bananas: no S's yet eh? Note regarding my avatar <-- just over there. This '72 wooden Cal Fuller A-cat has fairly primitive aluminum surface-piercing foils plus T-foils on the rudders but without proper angle of attack capability on the rudders. It has been foiling quite nicely for 7 years. It has never crashed in a pitchpole. When ventilating foils lose lift, the rig just loses altitude, its belly touches the water, then the rig takes off again. Re breakage: I broke 2 aluminum masts 7 years ago when old mast fittings failed: a repaired Fiberform carbon mast used since then has been problem free, even running a TheMightyHobie18 spinnaker. I have never capsized my A-cat rig, foiled Hobie16 or foiled TheMightyHobie18 since starting this research program. The latter 2 sometimes "leap and crash" as shown in the yellow Banana C pic, but not violently: I suspect they need better rudder AOA. see at www.fastsail.com/catcobblerIn contrast, T-foil-lifting rigs are pitchpoleable. Note also my signature below from Tom Edison- Boy is THAT true!
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#186242 07/27/09 06:16 AM 07/27/09 06:16 AM |
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Posts: 976 France | Not going to nit-pick details but I would like to see it confirmed that the Moth is faster around the course than high-perf cats, when comparing apples to apples.
Wednesday club races tonight at DWSC[...]We don't have the results yet, but they will be posted there hopefully sometimes tomorrow. Well tomorrow is passed and gone, but the results are finally published, so is the over the line results (ignoring the ones finishing with 3 laps): 47:10 4 Laps Hurricane 5.9 49:06 4 Laps Stealth 'R' 49:32 5 Laps Moth 50:14 4 Laps 49er 50:46 4 Laps F16 51:34 4 Laps Hurricane 5.9 51:54 4 Laps F16So on average per lap: 9:18 Moth 11:47 Hurricane 12:16 Stealth 'R' 12:33 49er 12:41 F16 12:53 Hurricane 12:58 F16 | | | Re: Foiling M20?!
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Posts: 539 | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y9X5Fl_grOMThis is impressive. And I mean you stop racing and watch impressive. We are sailing courses that just over 1nm+ in length, and to get from top mark to bottom in 4 mins is just freaking quick. And as hard as it is to say as a catsailor, moths are faster in this stuff. The guys here say big waves are ok as it is a case of adjusting the ride height. Sorry Wouter, but beach launch just never going to happen in the moth. | | | Re: Foiling M20?!
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#187803 08/13/09 02:34 AM 08/13/09 02:34 AM |
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Posts: 3,528 Looking for a Job, I got credi... | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y9X5Fl_grOMThis is impressive. And I mean you stop racing and watch impressive. We are sailing courses that just over 1nm+ in length, and to get from top mark to bottom in 4 mins is just freaking quick. And as hard as it is to say as a catsailor, moths are faster in this stuff. The guys here say big waves are ok as it is a case of adjusting the ride height. Sorry Wouter, but beach launch just never going to happen in the moth. Yep; Moths are faster in the moderate stuff. Simples......
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