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Re: One person enough to right the F16 in all conditions? [Re: Mark P] #217725
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Originally Posted by Mark P
Originally Posted by Wouter


The rule says the sailor must be able to right the boat but this includes using any dependable righting aid you can think off.

The Righting Rule (1.8) states;
1.8.1 It is the responsibility of the crew to ensure that the boat is equipped with a righting system that will enable the crew to right the boat without outside assistance.
My F16 is equipped with a righting line but still occasionally I can't right my F16 when the wind is very light. So by the letter of the law I'm breaking a F16 Rule!


I'd read "outside assistance" as help you get from "outside" your boat (ie another boat or person). If you have a righting bag on your boat that is no more or less assistance than a righting line.

Therefore, you are within the rules of the F16 class.

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Re: One person enough to right the F16 in all conditions? [Re: Kris Hathaway] #228668
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Recently I had the same problem as Kris H posted earlier
I weigh around 75kg wind was 15-18knt capsised on a jibe when hiking footstrap broke Boat was beam on to wind with current and waves in same direction as wind

I could swim the bows to 45 degrees but not straight into the wind as soon as I got to righting position the boat would swing back to beam on.

The mast head would not come clear.. But the boat came up easy once a young guy of a speedboat helped me pull on the righting line

Any ideas for next time.. I typically sail in currents around 3 knots

Re: One person enough to right the F16 in all conditions? [Re: SIAM] #228673
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Black trash bag seems to be the item of choice. Get yourself into righting position, scoop water into the bag and viola!

But, I'm afraid that will lead to a safety issue i.e. the boat trying to sail away. I simply can't get back aboard if the boat is moving more than 2-3 knots. So, I've decided to attach a rope boarding ladder to the spin pole.

Normally I right with the main uncleated. I'm considering trying to right with the main sheeted in the "park" position. Anybody tried it?

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Re: One person enough to right the F16 in all conditions? [Re: SIAM] #228681
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Originally Posted by SIAM
Recently I had the same problem as Kris H posted earlier
I weigh around 75kg wind was 15-18knt capsised on a jibe when hiking footstrap broke Boat was beam on to wind with current and waves in same direction as wind

I could swim the bows to 45 degrees but not straight into the wind as soon as I got to righting position the boat would swing back to beam on.

The mast head would not come clear.. But the boat came up easy once a young guy of a speedboat helped me pull on the righting line

Any ideas for next time.. I typically sail in currents around 3 knots


Open main and traveller sheet, open rotation and downhaul, swim to the bow, sit on it and hang your legs in the water. I mean the bow, not somewhear near the front beam, really the tip of the bow. If it will not turn, go in the water and grab the spi bridle (and maybe the righting line for safety), be patient. Your are the sea anchor to turn the boat. Once the wind is going under the sail, you have done the job. In really strong wind, if you right the boat, stand in front of the front beam. If not, the boat may start the bear away during righting, but with you on the wrong side... (don't ask why I know).

Cheers,

Klaus

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Originally Posted by Smiths_Cat
Originally Posted by SIAM
Recently I had the same problem as Kris H posted earlier
I weigh around 75kg wind was 15-18knt capsised on a jibe when hiking footstrap broke Boat was beam on to wind with current and waves in same direction as wind

I could swim the bows to 45 degrees but not straight into the wind as soon as I got to righting position the boat would swing back to beam on.

The mast head would not come clear.. But the boat came up easy once a young guy of a speedboat helped me pull on the righting line

Any ideas for next time.. I typically sail in currents around 3 knots


Open main and traveller sheet, open rotation and downhaul, swim to the bow, sit on it and hang your legs in the water. I mean the bow, not somewhear near the front beam, really the tip of the bow. If it will not turn, go in the water and grab the spi bridle (and maybe the righting line for safety), be patient. Your are the sea anchor to turn the boat. Once the wind is going under the sail, you have done the job. In really strong wind, if you right the boat, stand in front of the front beam. If not, the boat may start the bear away during righting, but with you on the wrong side... (don't ask why I know).

Cheers,

Klaus


Or just walk along the bow hanging onto the spi pole; as the weight goes forward; the boat goers head-to. Usual problem is that the downhaul is still on/and mainsheet or taveller still sheeted in.


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Re: One person enough to right the F16 in all conditions? [Re: scooby_simon] #228686
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I used to right my I20 alone all the time using the above "Sit on the bow, put your feet in the water and wait for the wind to get under the main" method.

Pete, do you have small loops tied in the ends of your righting lines? I do, so all I have to do is hook my trap hook into the loop and lean back, after the boat is turned in the proper direction of course. Hands free righting!

The only time I could not right mine alone was in very light air, I finally flagged down a jet ski who lifted the mast tip up out of the water for me just enough to get it to come over.

If I had a plastic trash bag that would have done it I'm sure, but when the wind is up, I never have a problem, as the wind gets under the mast and lifts it up for you.


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Re: One person enough to right the F16 in all conditions? [Re: Timbo] #228696
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I use a hookless trapeze system. There is a knot in my righting line at the appropriate length.


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Re: One person enough to right the F16 in all conditions? [Re: pgp] #228700
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I like just making a half wrap around the hook then holding the line at the hook. I used to tie a loop, but found it almost impossible to get back on the boat, (without going in the drink first), while righting.


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Re: One person enough to right the F16 in all conditions? [Re: Karl_Brogger] #228701
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How are you getting back on the boat?


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Re: One person enough to right the F16 in all conditions? [Re: pgp] #228703
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I had the main, traveller and downhaul all off (maybe not rotation) and was hanging right on the bow kicking with my legs to swing the bows into the wind but could still only get it to 45 degrees enough to get the wind under the sail but could not get it round further
When I then climbed back up to righting position it would swing back round to beam on. I can only think it was the waves /current pushing the boat back around.. I did drift a good distance in the time I was over. I have a murrays style righting bag with 2 to 1 that I have never used .. will have to give that a go but it sounds like overkill if all you guys use is a bin bag!

Re: One person enough to right the F16 in all conditions? [Re: pgp] #228704
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Pete,
I get back on the boat by grabbing the dolphin striker as it comes over. Then with an arm on the main beam, one on the hull, facing sort of aft and outward, and I can swing a leg up on the hull forward, and scramble onto the hull, and then the tramp.
I've also experienced getting the bows into the wind, but having it reorient by the time I get to the righting line/pole. Not sure what the solution is to that.

Dave

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I think most of the guys double the bag, just to be on the safe side.


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Re: One person enough to right the F16 in all conditions? [Re: pgp] #228707
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Originally Posted by pgp
I think most of the guys double the bag, just to be on the safe side.


That depends entirely on how much you've had to drink.....


What Dave said.


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A Two Bagger? yeah, been there, done that!

Her, "how about we go back to my place tonight?"
Me, "I can't, I'm too drunk."
Her, "Well what about tomorrow?"
Me, "I can't, I'll be too sober..."

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That's the same way I do it. Except if the boat has ANY headway, I'm not strong enough.


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Re: One person enough to right the F16 in all conditions? [Re: pgp] #228720
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Originally Posted by pgp
How are you getting back on the boat?


If it is windy enough, the boat will lift back up with less effort and making it possible to slip around the front beam and onto the tramp while she rights. Cool when you can pull it off.

Did it twice on a Blade. Have not had many opportunities on the Falcon (so much harder to capsize and more experienced) and the higher beam with prominent chine may make it harder to achieve.


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Re: One person enough to right the F16 in all conditions? [Re: Kris Hathaway] #228724
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Which hull are you trying to mount from? The one in the water or the one in the air?



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Re: One person enough to right the F16 in all conditions? [Re: pgp] #228725
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The one in the water. There's a small window there where the boat is coming up, put doesn't need you to pull anymore. On an A-Cat its cake, with a spin pole in the way it can be tricky.


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Hmm. I have a lot of strings up front that get in the way.

My knee jerk reaction is to go to a large heavy duty bag kept under the tramp. It would require some rigging, but if you substitute the bag for your body weight, you could then sit on the "down" hull and haul the boat over, remounting without the need for gymnastic ability. Maybe not the best solution for racing but more certain when sailing alone.

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Don't discount the effort of retrieving a righting bag in medium to high winds.

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