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Re: Mainsheet Tie to Rear Beam [Re: Dlennard] #232457
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http://www.animatedknots.com/double...og.jpg&Website=www.animatedknots.com

I had been using a figure 8 with an extra turn on the standing end, but have changed to the double overhand. The text explains the reasoning.


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Re: Mainsheet Tie to Rear Beam [Re: David Ingram] #232459
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Originally Posted by David Ingram
Originally Posted by Matt M
Originally Posted by macca
its called a skiff knot, because its so simple even a skiff sailor can do it smile


I've always heard that knot called an Australian bowline. wink


Do you two think it's wise to F!@# with Aussie skiff sailors?




BAAAWAAAAA!

Their in Aussie land anyhow.


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Re: Mainsheet Tie to Rear Beam [Re: macca] #232630
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By the way, if anyone is interested in doing their own soft shackle, this is a good site to visit. You input the size and it tells you how much line you need, where to make your marks, etc.

Making Soft Shackles


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Re: Mainsheet Tie to Rear Beam [Re: TEH] #232632
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Nice!

Anyone have a similar site for splicing?

I've gathered a small number of reference sites, maybe we should all compare notes someday?

This is my favorite: http://www.animatedknots.com/indexb...og.jpg&Website=www.animatedknots.com

I think I got it from JW.

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Re: Mainsheet Tie to Rear Beam [Re: pgp] #232633
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Here is the new england ropes splicing guide:

New England Ropes


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Re: Mainsheet Tie to Rear Beam [Re: TEH] #232634
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Thanks. There was a long thread some time back about splicing and fids.

Do you happen to remember what the final verdict was? Is it necessary to buy an expensive set of fids or is there a more inexpensive alternative?


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Re: Mainsheet Tie to Rear Beam [Re: pgp] #232636
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I don't remember that thread. I'd like to know because I'm going to be splicing some lines.


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Re: Mainsheet Tie to Rear Beam [Re: TEH] #232637
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The jist was that fids can be expensive and not all sets work as well as others. So, you could be out $100 and still not have the correct tool.


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Re: Mainsheet Tie to Rear Beam [Re: pgp] #232638
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get several sets of knitting needles from walmart. cut them shorter. BOOOOOOOMMMM!!!! fids... cheap too

Re: Mainsheet Tie to Rear Beam [Re: PTP] #232639
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There's an idea! You've actually done this?


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Re: Mainsheet Tie to Rear Beam [Re: pgp] #232640
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yep. key issue is cutting them and then filing down the rough spots. they are hollow aluminum. Work great... but I am so unorganized I keep losing them.

Re: Mainsheet Tie to Rear Beam [Re: PTP] #232645
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I've used solid, small dia knitting needles for splicing 1/8" vectran 12 strand, taping the line to the needle. I remember Brian Toss Rigging having the quality fids. Search that and see what you get.

Re: Mainsheet Tie to Rear Beam [Re: pgp] #232648
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Don't bother buying a fid: For the size of lines we work with you probably have all the needed parts in your toolbox already.

Pick a length of thin wire (60cms or 2 foot), bend it in two in the middle, twist the ends together, cover the twist with tape and slide a plastic ball to cover the tape. If you want to be really fancy use stainless steel wire and bind the two ends with a nicropress sleeve instead of just twisting.

That's all you need to do all the splices you will ever need to do on your cat.

Re: Mainsheet Tie to Rear Beam [Re: pepin] #232649
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Thanks. What lines do you splice?


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Re: Mainsheet Tie to Rear Beam [Re: pgp] #232653
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My weapon of choice is 3mm Dyna One HS from Gleistein. It is perfect for any lines you don't have to handle while sailing. I bought a 50 meter spindle for a very very good price and used it to replace lines on the trampoline, trapeze, pole, first stage of the main downhaul, spi downhaul and various soft shackles all around. There is not one knot on any of those lines, everything is spliced.

Most of the control lines are 4mm Excel Racing from Marlow tapered where needed and with splices or integrated soft shackes at the end as dictated by the place it is used (downhaul, spi halyard, main halyard, mast rotation, outhaul).

My tapered main sheet is Salsa from New England joined with some 4mm single braid dyneema of unknown origin (Marlow?).

I used 5mm Gleistein Discover for the line holding my trapeze dogbone, with a splice on both side and that was a mistake, I need to change it. This line is too slippy for that usage and my stopper keep sliding at the most inopportune moment. I need to replace that with something with more grip.

And I'm currently evaluating what to get to replace my spi sheets. I'm leaning toward a single braid dyneema/polyester blend like the Discover, in 6 or even 7mm with a tail to connect to the spi clew. I haven't decided what to get yet, suggestions welcome.

Re: Mainsheet Tie to Rear Beam [Re: pepin] #232654
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That's a lot of splicing.


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Re: Mainsheet Tie to Rear Beam [Re: pgp] #232672
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once you start splicing and realize how easy (and cheap) it is to do you will find yourself doing what he did- everything gets spliced. If I lived next to my boat, everything would be 7/64 amsteel spliced

Re: Mainsheet Tie to Rear Beam [Re: PTP] #232713
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Ok, what's the easiest place to start?


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Re: Mainsheet Tie to Rear Beam [Re: pgp] #232714
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making eye's in 12 strand dyneema


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Re: Mainsheet Tie to Rear Beam [Re: Karl_Brogger] #232716
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It's on the "to do" list.


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