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Re: F18 Worlds [Re: Mark Schneider] #234479
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Two different concepts.

Successful Worlds, that is currently happening.

Impressive support from all areas: Show me more boats from each region.

80% of an area's active racers is probably extremely unrealistic, but if all the other regions send lots of boats, it's less critical.

Mike

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Re: F18 Worlds [Re: brucat] #234484
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Once again an F18 thread ruined by non-F18 sailors. Why don't you guys have conversations like this via email? It seems it's always between the same people anyways.

I came to this thread to get an updated on the F18 worlds.. not read 3 pages of a silly arguement and I don't think I'm alone here.

Thanks.

Re: F18 Worlds [Re: wildtsail] #234486
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Yo!... there are 8 English speaking competitors at the regatta and they are not saying much... smile

SO.... the Original Post says..

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A couple of nations are conspicuous by their absence, I think we may be in for a ticking off by the International Class Assoc


Well... that is what we talk about.... Seems like a reasonable issue about F18 worlds.... (or any worlds in this day and age) eek

Usually, half of the chatter about an f18 event was usually about what platform and mods each of the top sailors are using... because this info was prohibited from being published. This is the first F18 event that I have ever seen where they list the boat type... grin

Top 4 boats are from 4 builders... so not much controversy there! shocked


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Re: F18 Worlds [Re: Mark Schneider] #234497
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Our group did two races yesterday in perfect sailing conditions, you really have to watch where you go as there are a lot of patches with no wind.
All of our starts were pretty rubbish so we didnt make the gold fleet frown
Not enough wind today for racing, postponement is still up but I hope they call the whole thing of for today soon (its 13:30 now).
Forecast for tomorrow is 14-17kts so that should be good for the final day.

Re: F18 Worlds [Re: Tony_F18] #234506
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That is lake sailing. Still amazing how the guys at the top can get it sorted out and be surprisingly consistent.


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Re: F18 Worlds [Re: wildtsail] #234510
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Originally Posted by wildtsail
Once again an F18 thread ruined by non-F18 sailors.

I came to this thread to get an updated on the F18 worlds.. not read 3 pages of a silly arguement and I don't think I'm alone here.


Hey Todd,

Being a non-F18 sailor, I don’t chime in on the manufacturer debates, etc. But, there were questions about whether this Worlds event was meaningful based on entries, and I don’t think you need to own an F18 to have a valuable opinion.

However, I do agree with your last point, and got annoyed with the Alter Cup thread for similar reasons (did somebody say TANGENT?), so I’ll check out now…

See you Saturday!

Mike

Re: F18 Worlds [Re: brucat] #234514
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qualification for gold/silver fleets done;

http://2011.f18worlds.com/attachments/category/58/qualification%20final%20results.pdf

No racing today - no wind I assume


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Re: F18 Worlds [Re: TEAMVMG] #234568
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Twitter update about 40 minutes old:

The races of Groupama Garancia F18 World Championship are over, the final results are on their way after the protests.


Report from the website:

On the last day of the Groupama Garancia F18 World Championship the Lake Balaton says a friendly goodbye with a great wind.

The last races of the championship will be finished in the afternoon. The participants - in golden and silver fleets – finally gained the mercy of the Lake Balaton and they can rule the water again.

It was a nice surprise for Hungary that two Hungarian sailor teams could get in the golden class, the Váradi – Petheö, and the Diószegi – Jankovics duos. The international field was ruled by the world-class Dutch teams, but there were races when our Hungarians could approach the forefront.

“There is a southwestern wind now, and the catamarans are flying! We could not ask for more for the last day. The wind and its direction are stable now. Every ship is on water, and it’s so great to have such a great luck for the last day,” Peter Süle organizer said. The last race will be started at 14:05, and the contestants will certainly take advantage of the opportunity and sail as much as they can.

For the final results we have to wait until late afternoon. The price giving ceremony will be held at 6 pm at the Kisfaludy stage in Balatonfüred. Until then everybody has time to cheer for the teams.


You're welcome, Todd... wink

Mike

Re: F18 Worlds [Re: brucat] #234574
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Bundy wins!


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Re: F18 Worlds [Re: TEAMVMG] #234648
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It needs to be said that, after last years poor effort, the coverage of this worlds was great and the tracker worked really well - showing some exciting racing.

Was it just me watching it? not a lot of chatter


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Re: F18 Worlds [Re: TEAMVMG] #234650
07/11/11 10:03 AM
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the tracker worked really well -


I honestly did not know there was a tracker!

There is/was no story line unless the class creates one.... F18's are not my class... I haven't seen one on the race course in my area in 5 years.. But, ... I will happily waste my time reading and cheering ... If you give me something... Otherwise.. it is just mothers and wives paying attention... er... maybe it is just mothers...

This thread had only one thing of interest (to me)... How should a class promote or sanction Countries for worlds. Should a class do this..

Contrast the F18's with the A class....
The A class world thread is preoccupied with Glen Asby... Will he or won't he defend?.. Will the AC stuff muck up his schedule... what other rock stars from the usual cast will try to beat him... will he have enough time on the boat to get back to the top... is he that far ahead of people? Next... it will be ... what platform..... Curved or strait foils.. What mast.... How impt is the equipment versus the sailing skill. From the US perspective... will Guck and Struble be able to play on the world stage after missing a couple of years of racing contact with the euros and the aussis... or did we get shot out the back.... How do us rank an file sailors stack up against the guys who do show at worlds when we see them on a race course in our neck of the woods.

Is any of this important... hell no! Is there any money or national glory to be won... Hell no! But... cat sailor fans will pay a bit of attention to the story and A class sailors a good deal more attention because the individuals I mentioned have history and cred in the cat world that we find interesting.

We only know of these stories because the threads have been developing for years and years...





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Re: F18 Worlds [Re: TEAMVMG] #234652
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Just click on the link and look at the pretty pictures


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Re: F18 Worlds [Re: Mark Schneider] #234658
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Originally Posted by Mark Schneider
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the tracker worked really well -


I honestly did not know there was a tracker!

There is/was no story line unless the class creates one.... F18's are not my class... I haven't seen one on the race course in my area in 5 years.. But, ... I will happily waste my time reading and cheering ... If you give me something... Otherwise.. it is just mothers and wives paying attention... er... maybe it is just mothers...

This thread had only one thing of interest (to me)... How should a class promote or sanction Countries for worlds. Should a class do this..

Contrast the F18's with the A class....
The A class world thread is preoccupied with Glen Asby... Will he or won't he defend?.. Will the AC stuff muck up his schedule... what other rock stars from the usual cast will try to beat him... will he have enough time on the boat to get back to the top... is he that far ahead of people? Next... it will be ... what platform..... Curved or strait foils.. What mast.... How impt is the equipment versus the sailing skill. From the US perspective... will Guck and Struble be able to play on the world stage after missing a couple of years of racing contact with the euros and the aussis... or did we get shot out the back.... How do us rank an file sailors stack up against the guys who do show at worlds when we see them on a race course in our neck of the woods.

Is any of this important... hell no! Is there any money or national glory to be won... Hell no! But... cat sailor fans will pay a bit of attention to the story and A class sailors a good deal more attention because the individuals I mentioned have history and cred in the cat world that we find interesting.

We only know of these stories because the threads have been developing for years and years...




I read your post twice and honestly dont have a clue what you are on about! crazy confused
Anyway, had you paid more attention you would have noticed a huge story going on, I will give you a clue: sailcloth.

Re: F18 Worlds [Re: Tony_F18] #234661
07/11/11 01:00 PM
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Anyway, had you paid more attention you would have noticed a huge story going on, I will give you a clue: sailcloth.


Now there is a tease!!!! tell me more...

I remember the F18 class having tight restrictions on sail cloth....(fall out from the Tornado cuben fiber fiasco) Something new on the approved list??


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Re: F18 Worlds [Re: Mark Schneider] #234696
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Something new not on the approved list?


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Re: F18 Worlds [Re: F-18 5150] #234700
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Some sails had materials in them which are not on the list:
http://db.tt/Q84gMyV

Re: F18 Worlds [Re: Tony_F18] #234703
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The spirit of the rule was to sanction and approve materials that controlled costs and kept the sails in a competitive window. Is this a case of a technical violation with the sail cloth just not making the date to be approved or is there a real price and performance difference with the sail cloth?


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Re: F18 Worlds [Re: Mark Schneider] #234705
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Does it matter? A company such as Sail Innovation is well aware of the class rules, if they are building sails outside the rules they should expect that those sails will be protested.


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Re: F18 Worlds [Re: Mark Schneider] #234707
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Originally Posted by Mark Schneider
The spirit of the rule was to sanction and approve materials that controlled costs and kept the sails in a competitive window. Is this a case of a technical violation with the sail cloth just not making the date to be approved or is there a real price and performance difference with the sail cloth?


Okay Mark I'll bite. Why is there even a distinction between what's on the approved list and something where there is no price and performance difference but not on the list? Who makes the call for the products that are not on the list? What's the process? Please don't say it's up to the protest committee to determine if an unapproved material is okay for use.


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Re: F18 Worlds [Re: David Ingram] #234709
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Class rules for international classes have to be written so that they don't just say what isn't allowed, they have to say what IS allowed. With sail material, this is a minefield because new materials and trade names are emerging all the time, so the list will never be up to date.
The clauses about 'spirit of the rule' are ment to overcome this problem


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