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Re: F20na Box Rule Set Posted [Re: Goclaw] #235003
07/20/11 01:48 PM
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Thanks for forging ahead with this. The only thing I'm not crazy about is the no min. weight. If the class is going top be called F20na ,then conditions all around north America need to be taken into account. The lighter air in the mid to Southern East Coast( Not Florida Tradewinds) opens the door for lightweight teams to clean house . This will not propagate any class. A minimum weight with no barrier on weight (lead) carried to come up to minimum is the way I see to handle it. I've heard the weight doesn't matter story for too long, and honestly, Charlie your the first non pixie weight person I've seen say it. Depowering and lessening drag is never a handicap to a lightweight team. Look how Randy Smyth and Keith Notary did in the Worrell years ago. You never see skippers looking for big crews.
Just my 2 cents on one small point. I'm very happy y'all have picked up the ball on this.
Todd


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Re: F20na Box Rule Set Posted [Re: David Ingram] #235005
07/20/11 02:40 PM
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Originally Posted by David Ingram
What's it rate?


My bad. that's what i get for reading into a question. point taken and is obviously very important. The best answer to your question is that we don't have one yet. the discussion is very helpful in getting there. I apologize for the smarta$$ reply.

joe


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Re: F20na Box Rule Set Posted [Re: Capt_Cardiac] #235019
07/21/11 06:59 AM
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I think you guys will do fine, good luck to you. And I wouldn't worry too much about a rating, nobody trusts or agrees with them anyway.



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Re: F20na Box Rule Set Posted [Re: pgp] #235021
07/21/11 08:06 AM
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Well we will be getting a provisional rating up soon. Everything seems to be coming together well. Thx everyone for all your thoughts. Thatís what we need to make this work right!! Keep them coming


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Re: F20na Box Rule Set Posted [Re: BadLatitude1337] #235022
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"Well we will be getting a provisional rating up soon."

laugh Be prepared to defend it!

... I'll make popcorn.



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Re: F20na Box Rule Set Posted [Re: pgp] #235024
07/21/11 09:18 AM
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Pete, as Mark indicated it's a pretty straight forward process to get a provisional number and I'm sure it will work the same as when the F20c number was created. The F20na class will also provide the spec to the DPN committee so it will be known to all what is being rated and what isn't.

For the short term they probably don't even need a provisional number. As long as the custom sails are the same sail area as the stock sails it's only a .995 hit which is pretty small.

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Re: F20na Box Rule Set Posted [Re: P.M.] #235025
07/21/11 09:30 AM
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Uhhhhh....Phillip. Suggestions please not just rhetoric. What do you recommend as minimum crew weight and minimum boat weight. They are important considerations as I understand it for the class to get a provisional rating.

K

Re: F20na Box Rule Set Posted [Re: David Ingram] #235026
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I've yet to see any number accepted without controversy and find the discussion useful and entertaining.

Butter?



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Re: F20na Box Rule Set Posted [Re: pgp] #235030
07/21/11 10:41 AM
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I still think you're going to be disappointed.


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Re: F20na Box Rule Set Posted [Re: David Ingram] #235034
07/21/11 12:11 PM
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Schurr Sails has been conducting specific research on higher aspect mains, and PBYC, as well as FWYC has race data for buoy and distance racing for the past years, since Mark aired out the first iteration.

Charlie - collect the data. If you go with mods you might discover that MS would benefit by using the sail mod and his weight mod.

You and Holly Keep it Rollin!
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Re: F20na Box Rule Set Posted [Re: catandahalf] #235037
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Our sails will be dropped off on Monday at Schurr sails. Hunter wants to do sum measurements/research on our sail set.


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Re: F20na Box Rule Set Posted [Re: BadLatitude1337] #235039
07/21/11 01:36 PM
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Ding, you and Pete need your own little TV sitcom. jp


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Re: F20na Box Rule Set Posted [Re: Capt_Cardiac] #235040
07/21/11 01:51 PM
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Point taken.


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Re: F20na Box Rule Set Posted [Re: David Ingram] #235043
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Re: F20na Box Rule Set Posted [Re: pgp] #235064
07/22/11 08:56 AM
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you don't need no stinkin DPN / PHRF number. They'll be so many boats showing up they can have their own class and go head to head...

grin


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Re: F20na Box Rule Set Posted [Re: waterbug_wpb] #235067
07/22/11 09:37 AM
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Jay,
You fixing to by another boat?

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Re: F20na Box Rule Set Posted [Re: waterbug_wpb] #235069
07/22/11 10:05 AM
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Originally Posted by waterbug_wpb
you don't need no stinkin DPN / PHRF number. They'll be so many boats showing up they can have their own class and go head to head...

grin


While the class needs a #, I thought the idea was to sail boat for boat in a class, right?

If people have to still use mods to a PN #, I'm NOT buying an I20 I've got my eyes on.


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Re: F20na Box Rule Set Posted [Re: BadLatitude1337] #235072
07/22/11 10:11 AM
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Have fun with this. I'll be racing open class before this rule.

Re: F20na Box Rule Set Posted [Re: ThunderMuffin] #235076
07/22/11 11:48 AM
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Why didn't you open a thread in the 20 forum for discussion instead of claiming to be god? The rule set you are proposing lacks vision. There are already plenty of classes with 8'6" beams. The top technology 20' boats (Marstrom, Nacra 20C, Tornados) are all going to wider beams. I don't forsee any of those moving to an 8' 6" beam. Anyone who has sailed a wider boat knows "Wider is Better". I would consider cutting my boat down to 10' but never 8' 6". You might as well race F18 at that width. Count me out, I will stick with open class.

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Re: F20na Box Rule Set Posted [Re: Todd_Sails] #235080
07/22/11 01:11 PM
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The number would only be used in open class sailing. Most of the racing done is still DPN racing.

F20na would all be sailing head to head.

Get that N20 and update the sails or simply sail it as is. It conforms to F20na already.


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