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Re: Sail graphics [Re: Tony_F18] #219960
09/20/10 06:27 PM
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Originally Posted by Tony_F18
I think a lot of teams stopped printing their spinnakers because it becomes a bit
costly if you have to do it twice a year or more.

Tony,

Have you heard of a cheaper method? I'm interested in doing some experiments on spinnaker graphics - so any ideas (like the initial pointers you gave me for sail painting) would be useful.


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Re: Sail graphics [Re: flumpmaster] #219972
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You want cheap. Buy a set of Sharpie's. No I'm not kidding. You can do some really cool stuff.


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Re: Sail graphics [Re: flumpmaster] #219975
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Originally Posted by flumpmaster
Originally Posted by Tony_F18
I think a lot of teams stopped printing their spinnakers because it becomes a bit
costly if you have to do it twice a year or more.

Tony,

Have you heard of a cheaper method? I'm interested in doing some experiments on spinnaker graphics - so any ideas (like the initial pointers you gave me for sail painting) would be useful.

What I meant was that they stopped putting graphics on them altogether (cant get cheaper then that!) smile
They pick a cloth color which closely matches the theme of the hull and mainsail graphics and just go with that (spins are expensive enough as they are).

Have you put any graphics on your Wildcat yet?

Re: Sail graphics [Re: Tony_F18] #233480
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I've finally got around to getting some sail graphics done in Australia on my new to me Nacra 5.8 dacron sail. Robbie Nixon based in Melbourne that owns Catsailor.net cut the sticky back design and Nick Woon in South Aus did the design by phone and e-mail.

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Re: Sail graphics [Re: JeffS] #233490
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bog standard black, blue and red enamel paints hand painted over many hours on to glass, alloy and dacron 3 years ago

at 1.20" and 2.24"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j55lMDEBmP8

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Re: Sail graphics [Re: erice] #233496
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Palm tree is colored sail cloth with adhesive backing. Sun is vinyl numbers are sail cloth. I have problems with vinyl but never with sail cloth. But these sails are more than 6 months to a year old.

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Re: Sail graphics [Re: erice] #233797
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Originally Posted by erice
bog standard black, blue and red enamel paints hand painted over many hours on to glass, alloy and dacron 3 years ago

at 1.20" and 2.24"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j55lMDEBmP8


I had always wondered how you had done yours but I had thought it was vinyl cutout. Can you give more info on the paint used. Has the paint on the sail stayed flexible enough to not have problems. Dis you mix anything into it for flexibility?

Re: Sail graphics [Re: Quarath] #233831
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cheap japanese paint bought from my local japanese home-center, brushes wash out turpentine, so i assume it is a bog standard enamel. it's soft enought that thick paint on the hulls can be gouged with a thumbnail

it's not "2-pack" hard, my is that understanding that hard setting 2-pack urethane car? paints need flex additives when sprayed on to plastics and frp rather than metals

but standard enamels are soft enough from the can

the sail dacron weave just sucked it up and it looks like it will be in there forever!

http://www.thebeachcats.com/pictures/?g2_itemId=72046

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Re: Sail graphics [Re: erice] #235330
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Wow guys,
Those are some gorgeous looking cats. Mikes is especially nice with all the wicked graphics. I love the diamond pattern on the hulls. Just out of curiosity how much would it cost to coat a hull with a graphic like that? I have a good friend who is in the sign business who might be able to do it for me. We shall see.. Eric's is also awesome as is the one with the rams head and sheeps head. NIce work. Anyone else done interesting designs with their cats? Peace

Pete



Nacra 5.2 on the lakes and rivers of East Tennessee until we move back to Florida!! Can't wait....!! peace
Re: Sail graphics [Re: Pete from Tn] #235379
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Working sails - vinyl
Spinnaker - coloured material sewn in during build.

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Re: Sail graphics [Re: Tornado_ALIVE] #235380
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Working sails also vinyl
Spinnaker screen printed before silicone applied by us

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Re: Sail graphics [Re: Tornado_ALIVE] #235381
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Also cut into the kite

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Re: Sail graphics [Re: Pete from Tn] #235383
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it was about $600 to do the hulls. I used a guy who makes his living applying custom graphics for race boats. He prepped the hulls with a primer, and then came back and taped the edges with a clear tape to ensure that the vinyl doesn't peel back on the leading edges.

Re: Sail graphics [Re: mikekrantz] #235387
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I have a close friend who does vehicle wraps and large commercial signs with the wrap, he also does large building marquis as well as all sorts of other signs. He told me the price would be about what you quoted here so that is apparently a good price. I also have another friend who does vinyl signs who said he could do it. He is gonna send me some banner ideas for the hulls. I am hoping for some sort of stars and stripes theme for the hulls... Not sure about the mainsail tho and I am probably gonna either paint the jib a solid color or leave it white. I just want to add some nice color to the totally white boat with blue trampoline.. First things first tho, I want to repaint the hulls a gleaming white and I called west marine to ask them about it but they were not much help. What do you guys think is the best reasonably priced way to redo the hulls. I have pro-spray equipment here and have sprayed many things including motorcycles, furniture, cabinetry, even a car once. Just want to get it back to gleaming white and have something that the graphics will adhere to easily and last awhile. What is best for a cat that will eventually see the ocean a bit...peace

Pete



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Re: Sail graphics [Re: Pete from Tn] #235392
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I suppose the technology is obsolete but a 35mm slide and a projector would make the process very simple.


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Re: Sail graphics [Re: pgp] #235438
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did think that if i had been able to borrow my friends LCD projector it would have been easier to simply project the image on the computer screen direct to the hull and sails and then go over the outline with a sharpie

would have saved a couple of hours i guess


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Originally Posted by erice
did think that if i had been able to borrow my friends LCD projector it would have been easier to simply project the image on the computer screen direct to the hull and sails and then go over the outline with a sharpie

would have saved a couple of hours i guess

Plus, many LCD projectors allow you to adjust for keystoning.


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