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#236612 08/22/11 07:16 AM 08/22/11 07:16 AM |
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Posts: 5,525 | Gray controls. He will be first in the zone and on starboard as well.
I would hold my course until clear of yellow and green, probably by breaking through their lee. Then sail for speed and the closest line to the finish.
If grey gets a good gybe and passes close to the mark he wins.
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#236613 08/22/11 07:23 AM 08/22/11 07:23 AM |
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Posts: 246 Kiel, Germany | Depends on the situation, obviously, but I'd try to luff and double-trap immediately and gain by this so much more speed that one is able to pass in front of the other boats - when you still get the mark.
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#236616 08/22/11 07:46 AM 08/22/11 07:46 AM |
Joined: Jun 2001 Posts: 12,310 South Carolina Jake
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Posts: 12,310 South Carolina | Strange course. Gate means nothing if the next leg is a port reach, so the mark to the left is meaningless. Agreed...this is a simple mark rounding for the right mark. Best chance is to get setup for the reach early and get a jump on the competition. You won't have any rights to get inside of anyone at the mark and to go below them will mean sailing in all their dirty air. I think the strong choice is to time a screaming reach to go over them just past the mark while they clean up from their gybe...but they are still in a pretty defendable position. You could possible gamble on the distance they'll loose in their gybes and just try to blow under them through their lee...either way, it's a difficult pass to make. That's a pretty silly finish course. Looks like you really need to plan ahead and setup that mark rounding to NOT come in on port.
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#236622 08/22/11 08:41 AM 08/22/11 08:41 AM |
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Posts: 12,310 South Carolina | Weren't they doing this type of finish at the worlds last year? I think it is becoming more popular. They were doing something similar in the AC World series but it was a reach off the top of the course after rounding A...which I think makes more sense.
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#236627 08/22/11 08:57 AM 08/22/11 08:57 AM |
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Posts: 1,253 Columbia South Carolina, USA | Jake, wouldnt a reach after rounding the A mark be a "follow the leader" situation? Im not sure that is a good race course either, unless you are in the lead!
The men were amazed, and said, "What kind of a man is this, that even the winds and the sea obey Him?" Matthew 8:27
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#236634 08/22/11 10:07 AM 08/22/11 10:07 AM |
Joined: Jun 2001 Posts: 12,310 South Carolina Jake
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Posts: 12,310 South Carolina | Jake, wouldnt a reach after rounding the A mark be a "follow the leader" situation? Im not sure that is a good race course either, unless you are in the lead! Yeah, and it's a short reach too. I can't see anyone making a pass on either of these finishes. The race is pretty much done at the mark. All this reaching finish does is spread out the boats making the actual finishing of boats further apart.
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#236635 08/22/11 10:11 AM 08/22/11 10:11 AM |
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Posts: 807 Hillsborough, NC USA | All this reaching finish does is spread out the boats making the actual finishing of boats further apart. That is probably the actual purpose of the reach leg. It spreads the boats out a bit, and exposes the sail numbers better - making it easier for Race Committee to take finishes. | | | Re: Racing Situation...
[Re: Tony_F18]
#236640 08/22/11 10:53 AM 08/22/11 10:53 AM |
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Posts: 5,525 | Would anyone in blue's position consider dousing the spin? Seems you'd have more control and probably as much speed.
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#236647 08/22/11 12:18 PM 08/22/11 12:18 PM |
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Posts: 1,884 Detroit, MI | All this reaching finish does is spread out the boats making the actual finishing of boats further apart. That is probably the actual purpose of the reach leg. It spreads the boats out a bit, and exposes the sail numbers better - making it easier for Race Committee to take finishes. That's exactly why it's done, and it's fairly common practice in dinghies (Lasers) and small keelboats (Solings). I don't always agree with it, since it creates a convenience for the RC at the expense of the competition - and in cases like Tony's - competitor tactical uncertainty which can lead to "incidents." There are other ways for the RC to deal with a large fleet and downwind finishes that don't force a short, follow-the-leader finish leg. Ultimately, it's what the class/fleet is used to - and wants - that counts. | | | Re: Racing Situation...
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#236651 08/22/11 12:38 PM 08/22/11 12:38 PM |
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Posts: 5,590 Naples, FL | so if grey slows down just a tad, she could likely control all the other boats because by doing so she could likely ensnare and prevent the duck by blue. So blue would either have to double gybe or throw on the speed brake and hope they could power back up through the bad air quickly.
Still having rights as leeward on yellow and green (and not enough room to clear a gybe), grey could overstand a hair and control the finish.
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#236682 08/22/11 03:15 PM 08/22/11 03:15 PM |
Joined: Jun 2001 Posts: 733 Home is where the harness is..... Will_R
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Posts: 733 Home is where the harness is..... | I've heard it called a "Hollywood finish" and have sailed a couple of regattas with it. Had a VERY entertaining finish with Randy one day... but... that's a story for another time, lol.
If it were me, I'd be agressive. Keep the hammer down and dive some if you have to get clear.
I'd expect to see gray go at the mark. If I were them, I'd be thinking, "blue has no rights, but has speed, we have to slow down to gybe and possibly douse" and therefor go as early as possible for the short distance to the boat end of the line.
Green will probably follow suit and maybe try to screw with them with a better gybe/douse.
Yellow is the real issue. They will be driven to overstand slighlty. Make that crossing and I'd say blue is money to the finish if they can keep the kite up.
Blue, I'd put the hammer down, take 1-2 steps aft and plan to double trap reach hard. Survival reaching while being ready to drop the kite or flog it for 2-3 seconds just to get across the line. Let them deal with gybing, dousing and resetting, use the advantage that you have by being on the correct tack.
It may be a longer disance, but aim for the ball and go for it. By not slowing down for the gybe, there's at least one boat lenght in there to blue's advantage if played right.
Granted, I'm agressive and sail with agressive skippers... | | | Re: Racing Situation...
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#236683 08/22/11 03:23 PM 08/22/11 03:23 PM |
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Posts: 3,224 Roanoke Island ,N.C. | I've heard it called a "Hollywood finish" and have sailed a couple of regattas with it. Had a VERY entertaining finish with Randy one day... but... that's a story for another time, lol.
If it were me, I'd be agressive. Keep the hammer down and dive some if you have to get clear.
I'd expect to see gray go at the mark. If I were them, I'd be thinking, "blue has no rights, but has speed, we have to slow down to gybe and possibly douse" and therefor go as early as possible for the short distance to the boat end of the line.
Green will probably follow suit and maybe try to screw with them with a better gybe/douse.
Yellow is the real issue. They will be driven to overstand slighlty. Make that crossing and I'd say blue is money to the finish if they can keep the kite up.
Blue, I'd put the hammer down, take 1-2 steps aft and plan to double trap reach hard. Survival reaching while being ready to drop the kite or flog it for 2-3 seconds just to get across the line. Let them deal with gybing, dousing and resetting, use the advantage that you have by being on the correct tack.
It may be a longer disance, but aim for the ball and go for it. By not slowing down for the gybe, there's at least one boat lenght in there to blue's advantage if played right.
Granted, I'm agressive and sail with agressive skippers... Man, You are one bada$$ mofo... Where were those balls when you sailed with me?
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#236685 08/22/11 03:50 PM 08/22/11 03:50 PM |
Joined: Jun 2001 Posts: 733 Home is where the harness is..... Will_R
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Posts: 733 Home is where the harness is..... | Man, You are one bada$$ mofo... Where were those balls when you sailed with me? I seem to remember passing people while paddling through Anglefish then grinding, catching and rolling other 20's till the wind shift.... Nevermind why we got dusted while in Card Sound ;-) | | | Re: Racing Situation...
[Re: Jake]
#236695 08/22/11 08:55 PM 08/22/11 08:55 PM |
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Posts: 699 SE Pa. or Chesapeak Bay | In your origonal statement you claim to be approximently (2) boatlengths ahead .... but the drawing DOES NOT show that ... but if it is true ...
Then you'll reach the "zone" around the mark first .... remember it is a "snap-shot" ... that means no-one else will have inside overlap rights .... SOooooo ... at the point you enter the zone you need to hail LOUDLY ... NO INSIDE OVERLAP ... NO ROOM AT THE MARK ... and defend you position and do the sweetest best rounding you have ever done ....
Nooowww .... if "grey" gets to the zone first ... you'll be in trouble ... then stay alittle wide at first ... let them pass in front ... and see if they "slide" over alittle bit as they have to do a much harder/sharper turn/rounding ... which may slow them down ... you maybe able to accelerate inside of them, passing between the mark and them ... and then roll them w/ you greater boatspeed ...
This rounding takes superior boat handling skills ... in either case
Harry Murphey H18Mag/P19MX
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