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New Open 20 rule set #238480
10/01/11 05:59 AM
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I've posted the Open 20 rule set: 1 October 2011 in the F20 forum. After posting the original F20na box rule set there was considerable "discussion" and changes were made. This rule set is designed to govern the upcoming racing season and will be up for reconsideration on 1 October 2012 per the rules. If you are not satisfied with rules please get involved. Sail with the class and help determine any changes in 2012 and build this into a thriving 20 foot class.

the first event is scheduled for 8-9 October 2011 at Key Sailing, Pensacola, FL. The 2012 racing season will be published by 10 January 2012. If you have a regatta you think would like to sponsor an Open 20 event, please contact me. Come out and support!!!

Joe Pocreva


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Re: New Open 20 rule set [Re: Capt_Cardiac] #238482
10/01/11 08:35 AM
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Come out and sail with us next weekend here on Pensacola beach should be lots of fun!!!!
I personally would like the chance to chat with all you 20 owners here at this event. We have been working on this rule set for months now and after talking to around a billion people and sending a trillion e-mails this is the rule set we came up with. Feed back and support is the only way to keep a new class up and running, so please come out to Pensacola beach next weekend for sum good sailing and fun in the sun.
Charlie Trinque


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Re: New Open 20 rule set [Re: BadLatitude1337] #238490
10/01/11 12:36 PM
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Should I be looking for another class at the Tradewinds?


Rick White
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Re: New Open 20 rule set [Re: RickWhite] #238509
10/02/11 03:07 PM
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I believe so!

Re: New Open 20 rule set [Re: PTP] #238522
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yes sir open 20


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Re: New Open 20 rule set [Re: BadLatitude1337] #238528
10/03/11 09:41 AM
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Ok well I guess I'll have a free weekend in January.

Re: New Open 20 rule set [Re: ThunderMuffin] #238537
10/03/11 11:15 AM
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I believe I have a kitchen pass for that weekend, but currently no boat to sit on. Not sure if my current pimp will make the journey with his N20


Jay

Re: New Open 20 rule set [Re: ThunderMuffin] #238552
10/03/11 03:58 PM
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Originally Posted by Undecided
Ok well I guess I'll have a free weekend in January.


You can still race N-20 class, Tad. There should be more stock than modded and I can't imagine a stock N-20 wanting to race in open if they had a class.


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Re: New Open 20 rule set [Re: ThunderMuffin] #238554
10/03/11 04:04 PM
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Originally Posted by Undecided
Ok well I guess I'll have a free weekend in January.


It's done - might as well not fight it and sail what you got. Resistance is futile and all of that.


Jake Kohl
Re: New Open 20 rule set [Re: Jake] #238571
10/04/11 06:11 AM
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Originally Posted by Jake
Originally Posted by Undecided
Ok well I guess I'll have a free weekend in January.


It's done - might as well not fight it and sail what you got. Resistance is futile and all of that.


Really? "It's done"?

So a ruleset that originated from a small group of sailors wants to race that ruleset and then force it upon a regatta that has a regional draw.

Thanks but I'd rather not participate in a ruleset that I don't agree with nor think is worthy of competing under.

If there's a 20 class - I'll consider coming down. To be honest, Tradewinds in the past haven't been to kind to me in the past. My fault - not the regatta's.


Re: New Open 20 rule set [Re: ThunderMuffin] #238572
10/04/11 06:48 AM
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Like Todd said, there will likely still be a N20 class to race in. Rick's just accomodating a new class. I think it's great that he is. If it were all N20's with nothing more than aftermarket sails, then I'll race in it. If there are different types of boats, then I'm really not interested.


Lee

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Re: New Open 20 rule set [Re: TeamChums] #238579
10/04/11 08:38 AM
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what do we have that would likely show? a few M20s, the CFR 20 and one or two new F20C?


Jay

Re: New Open 20 rule set [Re: waterbug_wpb] #238581
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The M20's and F20C's don't qualify under this new ill-conceived ruleset.

Both are too wide. The M20 would have to carry a jib too.

I don't know anything about the CFR20.

Re: New Open 20 rule set [Re: ThunderMuffin] #238582
10/04/11 09:05 AM
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Originally Posted by Undecided
The M20's and F20C's don't qualify under this new ill-conceived ruleset.


Don't hold back, how do you really feel?

PS there may be a n20 racing in dundin next sun (Fondrk) for the Sail for cancer if you want to practice

Re: New Open 20 rule set [Re: ] #238594
10/04/11 11:13 AM
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tell Fondrik to put Tradewinds on his list and Hiram's too. There are enough boats in this area to make a N20 class now if they all came out at the same time.


Jay

Re: New Open 20 rule set [Re: waterbug_wpb] #238597
10/04/11 11:17 AM
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i will mention it to him and Dennis if i see them next weekend. I dont plan on racing but i do plan on participating in the event (giving a cash donation).

Re: New Open 20 rule set [Re: ] #238600
10/04/11 11:27 AM
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This process is just like giving birth to a baby. To its mom and dad, it is the most beautiful thing under G-d's creation. To the rest of the world, "all babies look like Winston Churchill"!! Please note that the Rule set is a start. It initially results in extending the life of the N20 class that has been abondoned by the manufacturer to allow Open Sails. In the mid and long term, the rules have enough legs to encourage development. If you like the first part but not the second, the class will vote on amendements after year one. The O20 will not prevent "stock" N20 owners from class racing. Just don't forget that "stock" means quite a range of products.

I hope to see you on the water,

Sail Fast, Live Strong

Ken

"Kani Basami"
Nacra 20 (EP sail 483)
O20 (Schurr Sail #8, Glaser Spin, SNU)
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Re: New Open 20 rule set [Re: Goclaw] #238604
10/04/11 11:58 AM
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If all you want to do is race with your aftermarket sails then just enter open spin class and be done with it.

This isn't prolonging anything in the N20 class at all.

Re: New Open 20 rule set [Re: ThunderMuffin] #238611
10/04/11 12:42 PM
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If it turns the class around or doesnít does it really matter at this point? To do nothing is without a doubt the death of the class. There was little to no leadership to champion the OD cause, if there were itís unlikely the class would even be considering the O20 concept. The fact that there is enough energy and enthusiasm left in the fleet to even try something different speaks volumes about those still involved. Apathy is the cancer of our sport and these folks clearly have their heart in the right place. Try to see the positive of their efforts and in the end will it honestly impact the enjoyment of your N20?

Keep in mind Tad deep down you won't find a bigger OD bigot than me but even I can see this effort as a positive.


David Ingram
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Re: New Open 20 rule set [Re: David Ingram] #238612
10/04/11 12:49 PM
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So now those of us that do want to race OD will now need to buy an OD sail, and then a second aftermarket set to be competitive when there is only an "O20" fleet if I want to be competitive?

Sounds like a GREAT idea to me.

Its no wonder that my motivation to go race is at an all time low!

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