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Reynolds 21 vs Stiletto 23 #239482
10/29/11 06:07 AM
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Has anyone had the chance to see or sail or know anything about these 2 boats? Just wanted to see what you all say, I am coming from a life of mono hull growing up but i have recently been branded with a feeling from a F24 and a F28r of SPEED..
I just cant get this feeling out of me 22 knots is fast i dont need to go any faster! smile F-boats are way out of my price range right now. So my thoughts are Beach able some storage areas and at the most able to carry 8 people. I have close family here.. Some have never been sailing before. I will be sailing in Lake Erie and some closer inland lakes.

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Re: Reynolds 21 vs Stiletto 23 [Re: soulsailor] #239489
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The plus side for taking families sailing is that the passengers on a cat are between the hulls, as opposed to being outside the hulls on a tri. this gives a safer feel to being on a tramp cat.
the downside of a cat is that it can fall over!


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Re: Reynolds 21 vs Stiletto 23 [Re: soulsailor] #239491
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I don't think having 8 people on either boat is safe, 3 or 4 max.


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Re: Reynolds 21 vs Stiletto 23 [Re: pgp] #239493
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The R21 is a 1000 lb boat with a 31' mast, it'll see speeds in the high teens with 2 or 3 aboard in winds above 20 kts. You can take 4 to 6 people out in light air safely, if you take out large numbers of folk on either boat in bigger winds you risk breaking the boat. The 23 is larger and lighter, better top speed, subject to the same caution about big loads in high winds. The Reynolds has more below deck storage, more of a cruiser than the Stiletto. Either craft powered up will require skill to maintain control, both will require caution on a big lake when the wind is up. Both are nice boats.

Dave

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Re: Reynolds 21 vs Stiletto 23 [Re: soulsailor] #239501
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Thanks Davefarmer!
That is what i was looking for, well since my budget is very less then what i would like i came across this reynolds, for 5 k at most time i might have 4 people.. i was looking at a Hobie sport/w wings but this hobie is like 40 miles from me compared to 757 miles to the reynolds! Or do i keep waiting for something else to pop up.. But i feel i am past waiting, OHhh i don thinking ill be going out in anyting higher then 15 knts for a while! in any of these boats untill I am sure of things

Re: Reynolds 21 vs Stiletto 23 [Re: soulsailor] #239506
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Traveling a long ways is sometimes something you just have to do. A guy drove 800 miles to buy my Hobie 18, and I was just about to pull the trigger on driving that far for a mystere when it sold.

Re: Reynolds 21 vs Stiletto 23 [Re: soulsailor] #239507
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You are so right i have a Hobie 18 magnum with wings that i found, I just dont know what to get. I know there is no storage on the 18 but i like to own rare things. I am told and i see that the magnums are slim to find. But i know also that the R21 is rare to only 50 made in the us

Re: Reynolds 21 vs Stiletto 23 [Re: soulsailor] #239510
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The travel to get a boat is just part of the cost of a boat that fits your needs, if you aren't willing to wait indefinitely for something closer. I'm in WA, and Flight Risk came from SF, as did the A cat. The HT and the ARC came from FL. The Reynolds came from Portland, and the Stealth and the 18 square came from SoCal. In half the cases I found catsailors I could bribe to drag the boats my direction.
The 18 Magnum and the H21 are comfortable beachcats for 2 plus sailors, but the performance diminishes significantly with higher crew loads. The R21 is a much bigger boat with much greater freeboard, and a greater ability to carry loads, within above mentioned limits. All are well made boats that are fun to sail.
Should you end up with the R21, I can connect you with Chris Park who bought mine, and has it nicely tricked out.

Dave

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Re: Reynolds 21 vs Stiletto 23 [Re: soulsailor] #239511
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Very cool Dave thanks i think i am looking moving towards the r21 Like i said i came from mono life so 6-10 knot of boats speed was always the goal and it was a picture moment on the instrument panel if we reached it. So an easy 6 and above knots would be awesome for me! thanks

Re: Reynolds 21 vs Stiletto 23 [Re: soulsailor] #239513
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Are you planning to leave these boats rigged on the water? Do you really ALWAYS plan to have more than 3 people? I am thinking that an Hobie 18 would be far easier to launch and rig meaning you will sail it more and divide trips for that many people up instead of several big trips. I like the idea of the 21 or 27 but rigging them sounds like a PITA and I know that would push me to not launch it for those shorter days.

Re: Reynolds 21 vs Stiletto 23 [Re: soulsailor] #239524
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If it makes a difference, a version of the Reynold's 21 is in production as the Z21.

http://www.wingzsailboats.com/z21cruisingcatamaran.htm

This means there will be some level of parts support.

I don't know the status of the company. There are questions about them being in buisness.

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Re: Reynolds 21 vs Stiletto 23 [Re: soulsailor] #239527
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I've owned both, sold the Reynolds a year and a half ago to buy a Stiletto. The question about keeping the boat in a mast up storage area or apart on a trailer is one you need to give a lot of thought to. Putting either of these together is not a quick, trivial thing. If I had to put either one together for a day sail, I'd look for something else.
The Reynolds is a tank compared to the Stiletto, but depending on the winds in your area a tank might be what you need. If you need interior space, the Reynolds is the way to go. You could sleep 2 in the hulls if you had to, there's no way you could spend more than 5 minutes in the Stiletto hulls. I wouldn't put 8 people on either unless you had a light wind day.
For a first catamaran you might be better off with the Reynolds. It's a much tamer boat with a Portsmouth rating of 84 if my memory's correct, compared to 59 on the Stiletto (with spin and light crew).
Keep in mind that both of these are older boats and due to their size anything you might need to replace will cost more. Make sure the trampoline is in good shape.

Out of curiosity, are you looking at the Reynolds for sale in GA? If so, that's my old boat and it's in great shape. 23s can be hard to come by, it took me a while to find mine. Found it through someone on this site.

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Re: Reynolds 21 vs Stiletto 23 [Re: soulsailor] #239528
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If you want more information on the Stiletto, you can go to www.stiletto.wildjibe.com/forum Someone might even have one for sale there.


Re: Reynolds 21 vs Stiletto 23 [Re: soulsailor] #239582
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MATT Z YES i am going down to get it! I dont mind the setup I just didnt want to sail slow! Can you tell me anything about this boat, i am in contact to with Randy Reynolds! Rigging the boat is all part of daysailing! I will get a Hobie one day! Right now i want something that i can take a view people out on! What about raising the mast is there a easy way in doing this? What about reefing or taken down the main sail i see this is boom less! thanks.

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Because the boat is 12' wide, it has to be collapsed to trailer. Therefor, it takes 1.5 to 2 hrs with a couple of experienced guys to assemble or disassemble it. A big part of that is tightening the tramp. With a well designed gin pole, mast raising and dropping is easy and safe. Mine could be done on the water.

Dave

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Ok well this will be my learning boat i guess. I am fine with it, i have talked to a few hobies guys and some told me they have seen people take 1hr with there hobies rigging it and stuff, so i know after i know what i am doing it should go a little faster! smile if not then the wife will hate it! smile

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Another question i have ,since this is my first purchase of any kind of boat. what do i need to transport this boat. To pull it home if i get pulled over, is there some temp registration papers i need, tag stuff? any help is greatly appreciated!
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Re: Reynolds 21 vs Stiletto 23 [Re: soulsailor] #239598
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Soul, I don't know about the trailer laws between GA and where you're going. I do know that when the gent bought it from me he towed it from NC to GA without plates or trailer lights. Not sure how that would fly in your neck of the woods.
That boat sat unused at a sailing club for a long time, maybe 15 years. It had a tree growing between the hulls, I had to take it apart to move it. I needed a project and had my eye on the boat for a few years. There were 2 of them there and as it turned out they would not sell one, only both. That worked out since between the 2 I got one usable boat.
Raising the mast on this boat is a bear, there is no gin pole. One could be rigged pretty easily if you look into how they work or find someone nearby that's familiar with them.

If your wife likes quick set up, she's going to hate this boat. I'd plan on it taking a day and a half the first time. Honestly, if you don't have a sailing club near you where you can keep the boat assembled I think you're making a mistake. Comparing putting this together to raising the mast on a hobie is comparing apples and oranges. When on a trailer this boat is completely disassembled. That is a lot of trampoline to lace. I think the best you can hope for is a 3 hour assembly time after getting some practice. After those 3 hours you'll be too tired to go sailing.

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WOW really, so now you are talking me out of this boat! so How does it sail, is it a good boat to sail the rigging might be a tuff, but if i keep it assembled.. hmmm now i am thinking

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My hobie 18 took more like 20min to rig. I agree rigging is not something you want to spend at least 2 hours on everytrip.

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