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Re: F18 and H16 Double Stack [Re: David Ingram] #242066
01/04/12 05:56 PM
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I have a F250 and a 30' 5th wheel and pull my F18 Tiger behind my 5th wheel. I've been doing this for 6 years and never had a problem. You can't back up both trailers, so if you get in a bind...just unhook the boat trailer. Also, you need to travel a bit slower. The only thing I find is the boat bounces a bit more behind the 5th. Don't worry about turning extra wide...the boat will follow the 5th wheels track perfectly.


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Re: F18 and H16 Double Stack [Re: brucat] #242074
01/04/12 09:12 PM
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Originally Posted by brucat
Originally Posted by Jake
I believe that the National Laws govern tandem trailers on the interstate system...and it's allowed as long as you're under 65'. When you get off the interstates is when the state laws come into play. Note, however, I believe all require that the first trailer be a 5th wheel trailer (with the goose neck hitch that connects over the tailgate into the bed of the truck...or a semi truck arrangement).

http://www.hitchemup.com/statetowinglaws.htm


Thanks, I think that was the link that I was looking for.

Not sure if it's the feds or states (or some combination) that make the rules, but they are enforced by state officials (not feds). Tandem trailers are most definitely not allowed in all states, on or off the interstate.

It's sort of a moot point. If tandems are only allowed on the interstate, how would you get to the beach?

Mike


Several freight companies use tandem semi-truck trailers (UPS, FedEX, DHL, etc.) I was nearly certain they were allowed to pass through all states on the freeway in that arrangement.


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Re: F18 and H16 Double Stack [Re: Jake] #242075
01/04/12 10:52 PM
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Re: F18 and H16 Double Stack [Re: Jake] #242076
01/04/12 11:06 PM
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"Several freight companies use tandem semi-truck trailers (UPS, FedEX, DHL, etc.) I was nearly certain they were allowed to pass through all states on the freeway in that arrangement."

We see them in NY too. But when they get to the MA border, they have to unhook the second trailer before they cross the border. A second tractor has to come out to drive the extra trailer into MA. There are special lots for this on the interstates right near the borders.

Personally, this seems silly to me (if they're allowed in some states, they should be allowed in all, especially if we're only talking interstates here), but politics is what makes life interesting (to somebody, I guess)...

Mike

Re: F18 and H16 Double Stack [Re: David Ingram] #242077
01/05/12 06:02 AM
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Pulling a double bottom catamaran setup sucks. Too light, with too much windage.


I'm boatless.
Re: F18 and H16 Double Stack [Re: David Ingram] #242081
01/05/12 09:52 AM
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Originally Posted by David Ingram
Originally Posted by waterbug_wpb
If sweetness is going Hobie, who's going to keep you from getting spat out the back of the F18 fleet?


Mark "I'm Batman" Herendeen



Well, that helps.... The cape might slow you down though


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Re: F18 and H16 Double Stack [Re: brucat] #242082
01/05/12 09:54 AM
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Originally Posted by brucat
"Several freight companies use tandem semi-truck trailers (UPS, FedEX, DHL, etc.) I was nearly certain they were allowed to pass through all states on the freeway in that arrangement."

We see them in NY too. But when they get to the MA border, they have to unhook the second trailer before they cross the border. A second tractor has to come out to drive the extra trailer into MA. There are special lots for this on the interstates right near the borders.

Personally, this seems silly to me (if they're allowed in some states, they should be allowed in all, especially if we're only talking interstates here), but politics is what makes life interesting (to somebody, I guess)...

Mike


I believe in FL that doubles are allowed on interstate (but not triples). Once you need to get on smaller highways/surface streets, it's not very practical to pull doubles anyway. Trailer interchange yards make it relatively easy to transition to/from doubles.

But, overall, it's still cheapest to haul stuff by water, then by rail, truck, and air. So just sail those things down and you're all set, right? smile


Jay

Re: F18 and H16 Double Stack [Re: David Ingram] #242115
01/06/12 09:08 AM
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Just put some dense foam cushions on top of the F18 and then throw the H16 on top. Works great as you can see from the photo.

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Re: F18 and H16 Double Stack [Re: BoK] #242117
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Originally Posted by BoK
Just put some dense foam cushions on top of the F18 and then throw the H16 on top. Works great as you can see from the photo.


Hobie and AHPC trailered together mass hysteria.


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Re: F18 and H16 Double Stack [Re: David Ingram] #242118
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Kinda looks like they are mating, doesn't it.


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Re: F18 and H16 Double Stack [Re: BoK] #242119
01/06/12 09:46 AM
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Originally Posted by BoK
Just put some dense foam cushions on top of the F18 and then throw the H16 on top. Works great as you can see from the photo.


It doesn't get simpler than that. I also have a couple of $$ for you, I'll find you at Tradewinds.



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Re: F18 and H16 Double Stack [Re: David Ingram] #242120
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Yeah, we tend to over analyzed these things while sitting at the desk. If you just go out in the driveway and do it, you'll figure it out smile


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Re: F18 and H16 Double Stack [Re: David Ingram] #242122
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Two thoughts:
Did you consider reversing the H16 on top so that the lower part (the rear) of the tramp faces the wind while you are driving?
Go to an electronics dept store and ask around back if you can have some of the large styrofoam blocks that components and appliances come packed in to use to pad between the upper and lower hulls.
Sheet In!
Bob


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Re: F18 and H16 Double Stack [Re: David Ingram] #242124
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The foam thing looks like a great option.

I bet the 2x4 idea started way back when there were no cats but H14s and H16s. You know, before foam was invented...

I know for sure that I was using it before using the internet.

whistle

Mike

Re: F18 and H16 Double Stack [Re: Klozhald] #242125
01/06/12 12:48 PM
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Yeah but then the mast would have to be low in the front and high in the back and would hit the car smile


Originally Posted by Klozhald
Two thoughts:
Did you consider reversing the H16 on top so that the lower part (the rear) of the tramp faces the wind while you are driving?
Go to an electronics dept store and ask around back if you can have some of the large styrofoam blocks that components and appliances come packed in to use to pad between the upper and lower hulls.
Sheet In!
Bob


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Re: F18 and H16 Double Stack [Re: David Ingram] #242126
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"Kinda looks like they are mating, doesn't it."

And after the deed is done the C2 eats the Hobie...lol

Re: F18 and H16 Double Stack [Re: BoK] #242127
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Originally Posted by BoK
Kinda looks like they are mating, doesn't it.

Is that a Hobie condom on the end of the mast?


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Re: F18 and H16 Double Stack [Re: brucat] #242154
01/08/12 08:09 AM
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Originally Posted by brucat
The foam thing looks like a great option.

I bet the 2x4 idea started way back when there were no cats but H14s and H16s. You know, before foam was invented...

I know for sure that I was using it before using the internet.

whistle

Mike
You're exactly right. Nailing a couple of sets of small "risers" to the bottom of the forward 2x4 was necessary to compensate for the beam curvature. Rear cross-2x4 can be a single piece.
Slap some carpet on it and you're done. (note - bottom H16 facing forward and top H16 bows to rear, or you're really popping-a-wheelie!)

I did the packing foam and swim noodles thing to take an H17 & TheMightyHobie18 to NAC's last spring. Cheap and functional.
Found that I needed to tie from the bow tangs of the H17 to the mast stand.
In big cross wind, top boat would eventually work itself off center (no matter how well was tied to bottom boat)

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