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New crew weight limit for Olympic cat? #244853
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Roland Gaebler just posted this on Facebook.

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Sorry, I have no words for it..... I am so frustrated......ISAF target women 62.5kg and men 76.5kg weight for Kiteboarding evaluations in Santander. That means they calculated 139kg average for a women and men complete and we as Mixed Multihull Team are forced to get into a average of 130kg for a COMPLETE team weight. In Kiteboarding they use the normal mens weight analytics and in Mixed Multihull... they play with ultralights again? WHY? Can someone explain me this? Its looks something is on the wrong track...... by the way... average men is 81kg and women is 65kg.

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Re: New crew weight limit for Olympic cat? [Re: Mary] #244854
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130 kg = 286 lbs. Isn't H16 class wt. 285?


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Re: New crew weight limit for Olympic cat? [Re: Mary] #244855
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I'm sorry to say that Roland is full of it.


Average weight of 20 year old US women is 58 kg

http://whijink.home.xs4all.nl/HU/Strandzeiler/Body_measurements_girls_2_to_20_years_old.cj41l022.pdf


Average weight of 20 year old US males is 71 kg

http://whijink.home.xs4all.nl/HU/Strandzeiler/Body_measurements_boys_2_to_20_years_old.cj41l022.pdf


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Roland is actually quite active in getting the Tornado reselected into the olympics and like some he feels every tool in the trickbox may be applied towards that end.

No matter what people say about the ISAF weight range selection, ISAF did not choose the wrong numbers. They are perfectly in line with typical demographic body specs.

Wouter

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Re: New crew weight limit for Olympic cat? [Re: Mary] #244856
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My wife and I are only about 118kg...

The specs in the original request said, "it is desired that the sailors combined weight will be within the 120-140 kg range." I don't see what Mr Gaebler could possibly be complaining about.


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What could he complain about ?

Well, that the olympic boat selection is not longer geared towards "less then athletically build 48 year old men living in some European country between the Netherlands and Poland"

I know, a wild guess at his motives.

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Originally Posted by pgp
130 kg = 286 lbs. Isn't H16 class wt. 285?
Yes

Originally Posted by daniel_t
My wife and I are only about 118kg...

The specs in the original request said, "it is desired that the sailors combined weight will be within the 120-140 kg range." I don't see what Mr Gaebler could possibly be complaining about.

He's complaining (albeit indirectly) that the Tornado is unlikely to be chosen as the Olympic multihull for 2016.

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just checked one of those non USA Olympic polls

Care to guess which class leads the fleet... with 769 votes
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Hobie 16 with almost 40%

Just sayin.....

http://catsailingnews.blogspot.com/


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Originally Posted by "mbounds"
He's complaining (albeit indirectly) that the Tornado is unlikely to be chosen as the Olympic multihull for 2016.


But certainly he isn't surprised by this!? As already noted the specs specifically called for a boat optimized for a 130kg crew weight (+- 10kg.)

I wonder why the Hobie Tiger or the Tornado were even entered. Surely nobody thought they would actually get chosen, did they?


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Originally Posted by Wouter
I'm sorry to say that Roland is full of it.


Average weight of 20 year old US women is 58 kg

http://whijink.home.xs4all.nl/HU/Strandzeiler/Body_measurements_girls_2_to_20_years_old.cj41l022.pdf


Average weight of 20 year old US males is 71 kg

http://whijink.home.xs4all.nl/HU/Strandzeiler/Body_measurements_boys_2_to_20_years_old.cj41l022.pdf


All data supplied by

Developed by the National Center for Health Statistics in collaboration with
the National Center for Chronic Disease Prevention and Health Promotion (2000)


Roland is actually quite active in getting the Tornado reselected into the olympics and like some he feels every tool in the trickbox may be applied towards that end.

No matter what people say about the ISAF weight range selection, ISAF did not choose the wrong numbers. They are perfectly in line with typical demographic body specs.

Wouter


Wouter;

Those charts are TARGET weights. Actuals are closer to 75 for men / 65 wowen. Don't usually quote Wiki; but this is based on captured data not charts that are desired numbers from the medical profession.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Average_weight

My workes in this area and states that these charts are out of date and form a "desired growth path that is out of date".

Note the dates on the linked page; US data is as old as your charts, I'd bet if recorded/,measured now the numbers weights would be higher.



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Originally Posted by scooby_simon


Those charts are TARGET weights. Actuals are closer to 75 for men / 65 wowen. Don't usually quote Wiki; but this is based on captured data not charts that are desired numbers from the medical profession.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Average_weight

My workes in this area and states that these charts are out of date and form a "desired growth path that is out of date".

Note the dates on the linked page; US data is as old as your charts, I'd bet if recorded/,measured now the numbers weights would be higher.



Why use the average weight of a population for choosing Olympic equipment? The average weight of existing competitors within the target age interval would make more sense. It is a boat for Olympic athletes, not for the average Joe/Jane.


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Why not use the average weight of Olympic Athletes in that age range.

Now, do we use the East German Woman's swimming team, or the Chineese woman's gymnastic team?

;^)


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Originally Posted by Timbo
Why not use the average weight of Olympic Athletes in that age range.

Now, do we use the East German Woman's swimming team, or the Chineese woman's gymnastic team?

;^)

did you know that the East German state does not exist since 1990? Hope your charts in the plane are updated wink

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Yeah, I know, I was just pointing out there is a very large range in Olympic athlete body types! Years ago I heard the East German coaches went to China to show them how to grow big swimmers, any truth to that?


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Originally Posted by Smiths_Cat
Originally Posted by Timbo
Why not use the average weight of Olympic Athletes in that age range.

Now, do we use the East German Woman's swimming team, or the Chineese woman's gymnastic team?

;^)

did you know that the East German state does not exist since 1990? Hope your charts in the plane are updated wink



hahahah, I wanted to post the same thing.






I say set a maximum weight, and no minimum. Get some people willing to really push the limits of the human body if they want to compete. Set the max combined crew weight at something like 165 lbs.


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Originally Posted by Karl_Brogger
Originally Posted by Smiths_Cat
Originally Posted by Timbo
Why not use the average weight of Olympic Athletes in that age range.

Now, do we use the East German Woman's swimming team, or the Chineese woman's gymnastic team?

;^)

did you know that the East German state does not exist since 1990? Hope your charts in the plane are updated wink



hahahah, I wanted to post the same thing.






I say set a maximum weight, and no minimum. Get some people willing to really push the limits of the human body if they want to compete. Set the max combined crew weight at something like 165 lbs.


165 lbs combined? So an 80 and a 85 lbs crew.


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Re: New crew weight limit for Olympic cat? [Re: Mary] #244897
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Yep. I want to see athletes pushing themselves to the limits. Like horse jockeys
If they can get themselves down to say 60lbs each, all the better.


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See, I knew you'd come around sooner or later.


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The only thing wrong with those growth charts is, they don't account for the "Freshman Fifteen." If you don't know what that is, ask a female college student (sophomore or higher)...

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Or post-pregnancy fifteen... had a hard time getting rid of that.


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Originally Posted by John Williams
Or post-pregnancy fifteen... had a hard time getting rid of that.


You wear it well, hardly noticeable.


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