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Re: Why are F-18's so expensive? [Re: F-18 5150] #247318
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KCMA, Camarillo? Too far from my house.

We have lots of open fields down here in central FL, perfect for little airplanes, and if I do get one, I'll put it on floats and keep it in my backyard. I can also mow the lawn with it!

http://lightsportaircraftpilot.com/kolb_flyer_ultralight/images/flyer/kolbflyer.JPG


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Originally Posted by hobie1616
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You notice they offer a parachute package for an additional $3,500!

A friend has a Cirrus SR20X. The chute comes standard.

My brother had the SR22. At $400,000 the chute should be standard equipment.

At $400K they should come with a helium balloon that would gently deposit you back on Mother Earth. wink


The airplane I fly at work costs $262 Million, holds 269 passengers and 15 crew, yet NO parachutes!



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Originally Posted by Timbo
The airplane I fly at work costs $262 Million, holds 269 passengers and 15 crew, yet NO parachutes!

The air, like the sea, is a harsh mistress but even more so.

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Originally Posted by Timbo

The airplane I fly at work costs $262 Million, holds 269 passengers and 15 crew, yet NO parachutes!

I came across this article the other day, its about an inventions conference and one of the inventions is a parachute system for airplanes:
[url=]http://www.washingtonpost.com/busin...s-franc/2012/04/18/gIQAjELyPT_story.html[/url]

Do you think would work?

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Originally Posted by Tony_F18
Originally Posted by Timbo

The airplane I fly at work costs $262 Million, holds 269 passengers and 15 crew, yet NO parachutes!

I came across this article the other day, its about an inventions conference and one of the inventions is a parachute system for airplanes:
[url=]http://www.washingtonpost.com/busin...s-franc/2012/04/18/gIQAjELyPT_story.html[/url]

Do you think would work?


That's a joke, right? It would take a MUCH larger parachute to bring down a heavy jet, softly enough for anyone to live.

And unless the airplane was in a deep stall when the chute was deployed (like that Air France A330 over the Atlantic) if the chute was deployed at anything over about 150kts, (and that's very slow for a passenger jet) it would snap the lanyards holding it to the jet, or damage the jet. But if it didn't snap the lanyards, it would give everyone inside the jet a broken neck, when they suddenly went from 450 to 100 kts. The Air France guys could have used a tail drouge to get their nose pointed down.

In the Fighter Community (the pussy pilots, with ejection seats!) they call it "Opening Shock", when the parchute opens and you rapidly slow down. But if you punch out above about 500 kts., you are going to die of flail injuries anyway, but if you live through the ejection, you are supposed to wait until you slow down in the free fall, to about 150 to open your chute, or you'll never father another child!

Here's some ejection seat test vids. but they are not going very fast, less than 100mph. Now, imagine the opening shock at at say, 300.

No, they are not real pilots, it's 'crash test dummies' hard at work!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MgcPhl1UIhA


I'm having trouble imagining under what circumstances you would need a parachute on a large jet. About the worst thing that can happen to you is have a motor blow up on takeoff, you are heavy, slow, you just left the runway behind you and now...KaBam!

Like that Delta 757 coming out of JFK a couple days ago, or Sully and his landing on the Hudson, or these guys:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/47133601/ns/travel-news/

But that's why they started putting more than one motor on airliners, a long time ago, right? Redundancey = safety.

So...under what scenario would a jet need to pop a parachute? Even Sully was able to glide to a safe landing.

If it were a realistic option, and do-able, I'm sure the Military would already be doing it.


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Originally Posted by Timbo
KCMA, Camarillo? Too far from my house.

We have lots of open fields down here in central FL, perfect for little airplanes, and if I do get one, I'll put it on floats and keep it in my backyard. I can also mow the lawn with it!

http://lightsportaircraftpilot.com/kolb_flyer_ultralight/images/flyer/kolbflyer.JPG


Yeup, Camarillo... You ever make it out this way look me up.... will go have some fun in a Citabria

Luv that ole Bell Helmet...


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Originally Posted by Ventucky Red
Originally Posted by Timbo
KCMA, Camarillo? Too far from my house.

We have lots of open fields down here in central FL, perfect for little airplanes, and if I do get one, I'll put it on floats and keep it in my backyard. I can also mow the lawn with it!

http://lightsportaircraftpilot.com/kolb_flyer_ultralight/images/flyer/kolbflyer.JPG


Yeup, Camarillo... You ever make it out this way look me up.... will go have some fun in a Citabria

Luv that ole Bell Helmet...



You got a Citabria?? I love flying the tailwheels!
Or I should say, Landing the tailwheels, in a good crosswind of course! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hlsNDtKZqhk

Same thing, only different, in my Day Job, but much more fun in a tailwheeel: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cvypv_twqfY&feature=related


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Re: Why are F-18's so expensive? [Re: Team_Cat_Fever] #247348
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I am not sure where to jump into this conversation butttttt,
The cost of construction does not normally take into acount the externalities. Cheap labor overseas, no healthcare for the workers, exposure to harmfull/fatal chemicals and conditions, pollution in the form of unregulated waste disposal. This is why we send production to emerging countries, the governments are so corrupt that they have no concern for the environment or the health, wellfare and future of their citizens, but only for their own finacial interest.
We have been living on cheap oil for way too long.... Things must change. F-18 cost way more than you think when you consider all of the impact costs that it takes to produce one.
Escuse the typos por favor


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Re: Why are F-18's so expensive? [Re: F-18 5150] #247352
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I do think that cats have gotten more expensive over the years but you also get a lot more boat than a few years ago, and they are more race ready as well.
Someone brought up the price of a Tiger, but remember how much you would have to spend out of the box to make it race ready? 2000+
Remember that yellow and black rope/mainsheet they used to be shipped with?

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And with the introduction of the Hobie Wildcat F18, I'm guessing they (Hobie) are admitting the Tiger is no longer 'fast enough', so a new (faster) hull design was needed, which only adds to the cost.


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Timbo,
John Fondrk is selling his Seawind 300C. Would be perfect for your backyard and water. He is also selling his Cessna 150 that is in good condition. They are both at Clearwater Airprot. You may not understand this but he got married and his wife and daughter are in to horses which distracts enough from his N-20 sailing.

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Originally Posted by Timbo
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Originally Posted by Timbo
KCMA, Camarillo? Too far from my house.

We have lots of open fields down here in central FL, perfect for little airplanes, and if I do get one, I'll put it on floats and keep it in my backyard. I can also mow the lawn with it!

http://lightsportaircraftpilot.com/kolb_flyer_ultralight/images/flyer/kolbflyer.JPG


Yeup, Camarillo... You ever make it out this way look me up.... will go have some fun in a Citabria

Luv that ole Bell Helmet...



You got a Citabria?? I love flying the tailwheels!
Or I should say, Landing the tailwheels, in a good crosswind of course! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hlsNDtKZqhk

Same thing, only different, in my Day Job, but much more fun in a tailwheeel: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cvypv_twqfY&feature=related


No, I rent one....

Doing the Emergency Maneuver / Unusual Attitude / Aerobatic training at Santa Paula Airport with Rich Stowell.

Its a blast!!!!


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Originally Posted by dartfast
Timbo,
John Fondrk is selling his Seawind 300C. Would be perfect for your backyard and water. He is also selling his Cessna 150 that is in good condition. They are both at Clearwater Airprot. You may not understand this but he got married and his wife and daughter are in to horses which distracts enough from his N-20 sailing.

Terry Dart 18


Wow, that poor bast...! I feel his pain! I hope he can keep his Boat!

The only thing I have found that's twice as expensive as boats AND airplanes, combined, are Horses! Race cars might be close, only because you have to buy new tires all the time, and rebuild the motor, but feeding a bunch of horses twice a day, plus their shoes, shots, vet bills when they get a boo-boo, etc. they truly are the gift that keeps on taking. And that's if you NEVER go to a show. Add a thousand dollars a pop, if you go to shows! Oh, and you'll need a truck and big trailer to go to a show, so add that in!

When my wife starts complaining about the horses, and the amount of work, I just point to my boat in the back yard and say, "See that boat? I didn't have to feed it today, or shovel it's poop, or put another blanket on it because it's going to be cold tonight, and guess what? It don't care, if I don't care, it never cops an attitude or tries to kick me when I'm 'feeding' it."

Airplanes are the same, ie. they don't care, but the hanger fees are high ($300/mo. or more), and then you have to put gass in them, which is getting outrageous, over $5.00 a gallon, plus the insurance, and the annual maintenance, etc. is expensive, unless you do it yourself (you'll need a license to do it) but it's no where near what it costs to own/show horses!

Tell John he can put his airplane in my backyard, I promise to feed it and shovel it's poop, every day!

But until all of our 6 horses drop dead, I won't be able to buy his airplane.


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Originally Posted by Ventucky Red
Originally Posted by Timbo
Originally Posted by Ventucky Red
Originally Posted by Timbo
KCMA, Camarillo? Too far from my house.

We have lots of open fields down here in central FL, perfect for little airplanes, and if I do get one, I'll put it on floats and keep it in my backyard. I can also mow the lawn with it!

http://lightsportaircraftpilot.com/kolb_flyer_ultralight/images/flyer/kolbflyer.JPG


Yeup, Camarillo... You ever make it out this way look me up.... will go have some fun in a Citabria

Luv that ole Bell Helmet...



You got a Citabria?? I love flying the tailwheels!
Or I should say, Landing the tailwheels, in a good crosswind of course! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hlsNDtKZqhk

Same thing, only different, in my Day Job, but much more fun in a tailwheeel: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cvypv_twqfY&feature=related


No, I rent one....

Doing the Emergency Maneuver / Unusual Attitude / Aerobatic training at Santa Paula Airport with Rich Stowell.

Its a blast!!!!




Yes, Acro is great fun! As a kid I always wanted to build a Pitts, and I still may get to it, some day. I was renting a Pitts S2B in Miami, when I was single! The IAC holds contests here in Sebring twice a year, I usually go out to watch, see what new stuff the Unlimited guys have come up with. Some of the stuff they do is pretty wild. Check out their web site, http://www.iac.org/ You can compete at the Basic level in the Citabria. Loop, roll, spin, that's about all there is to it in the Basic category. Have fun!


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Six horses? Are f*cking retarded Timbo? That's burning PILES of money.


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horses suck. the ultimate depreciating asset
and quit talking about planes

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Originally Posted by Karl_Brogger
Six horses? Are f*cking retarded Timbo? That's burning PILES of money.


Yes, Yes, and Yes.

That's why I'm still racing with a 5 year old boat and mainsail...oh, and still kicking your butt.

;^)


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Originally Posted by Timbo
Originally Posted by Karl_Brogger
Six horses? Are f*cking retarded Timbo? That's burning PILES of money.


Yes, Yes, and Yes.

That's why I'm still racing with a 5 year old boat and mainsail...oh, and still kicking your butt.

;^)


Oh snap! Damn K2, you gonna let him get away with that?!?!


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Originally Posted by ksurfer2

Oh snap!


This from a 40 year old white guy! Oh wait, your spin is pink, carry on.


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Originally Posted by David Ingram
Originally Posted by ksurfer2

Oh snap!


This from a 40 year old white guy! Oh wait, your spin is pink, carry on.


It's Beth's!


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