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A bunch of Nacra Inter 20 questions #249708
06/16/12 04:19 PM
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Okay everyone, I just bought a 2000 Nacra Inter 20 and I had a bunch of questions. You guys have already been super helpful when I asked about a furling system, so I seem to be in the right place.

Just to introduce myself, my name is Tim and Iíve owned a Prindle 18-2 for a couple years now and live out in Hawaii.

1) First question, what do you call the boat, Inter 20? Nacra 20? Nacra F20? I mean it says Inter 20 in big red letters on the side of the boat, but I understand that boat names evolve and I was wondering what the current term for the boat is.

2) Speaking of the big red ĎInter 20í logo on the side of the boat, I want to get rid of it. Whatís the best way? Hair dryer and plastic scraper? 3m eraser drill pads?

3) The boat I bought didnít come with a spinnaker or pole as it had been stolen off the boat awhile ago. Iím not sure what the original system on the boat was, but it seems easy enough to go between snuffer/non-snuffer. I think I would like to use the snuffer system, does anyone have a snuffer pole they want to part with? Also, I may/or may not need a spinnaker too. I have a lead on a spinnaker at a good price right now, but I need to figure out if the spinnaker will be compatible with the spin system I end up buying. From what I understand, a midpole snuffer versus a full length snuffer have different snuffing points on the spinnaker. I understand midpole snuffing is more desirable, but economics might play a factor on what pole I can afford.

4) The tramp on the boat is original (12 years old) and needs to be replaced. It seems to be pulling out of the track on one side of the boat. Is that because the track is bad, or the tramp is 12 years old, or both? I understand there are new tramp systems for the boat, what should I do here? Can I even find an original type tramp to buy anymore?

I know thatís a lot of questions, sorry about that.
Thanks in advance,

Tim

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Re: A bunch Nacra Inter 20 questions [Re: timtower] #249709
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Call it a Nacra 20 or Inter 20 or N20 or I20. Not sure there is much difference between a N20 and I20. It is not an F20.
In terms of removing the Inter- I would use a razor blade (I believe it is just a vinyl graphic) and then use acetone to take away the residue. Problem is that the Inter 20 logo will likely still be "burnt" into the hull even after cleaning it all up. so... you might want to consider leaving it although I am sure someone has a way around the burnt in issue (but would require a ton of polishing maybe).

I think you should be able to find a used decent spin for the 20 without too much problem. If you buy a spin pole, you will need to buy the hoop as well that goes on the pole. This would require a 3 patch spin. You might be able to find a used pole with mid snuffer or an end pole snuffer set up (mid pole hoops are the same I believe for all the Nacras regardless of length of the boat). The end pole is less ideal but you should be able to possibly get one of these older setups cheaper (this would require only a 2 patch spin).

As far as the tramp- depends on the status of the tube in the hull that the bolt rope for the tramp runs in. Could be the tramp or the slot. Others have more experience with this than I do.

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Re: A bunch of Nacra Inter 20 questions [Re: timtower] #249710
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heat gun (carefully applied heat!...not TOO hot!). You can use a razor blade if you are very careful with it. Usually with a little heat, once you get an edge started, you can peel for some distance if you keep it warm as you go.

A sunfish mast (or part of the mast) is the same dimension as the N20 pole plus a little length. You'll need to cut it down. Considering your remote location, you'll probably be much better off to find a sunfish mast than freight for a replacement pole. The spinnaker snuffing points ARE different, but they are easy to add and any sailmaker can add or rearrange them. I wouldn't use this as a make / break situation. we can help with the correct placement of the points when you get to that part.

Trampoline coming out of the track is a common problem. The solution is a big fat rope with nylon strops. The trampoline is then cut back, folded over, and has more nylon strops sewn into it. The tramp is then threaded to between the hull-mounted strops and the tramp mounted strops. This fixes it in most cases (the bigger rope). In some cases, folks have had to resort to plastic slugs or plastic rod in the hull to keep it from pulling out. Future boats went to a shoulder screw in the hull to lace the trampoline to and the milled groove went away.


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Re: A bunch of Nacra Inter 20 questions [Re: timtower] #249718
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To answer the first question, I think several people decided to start calling it the N20 or Nacra 20 because there is a Monohull out there called the I20. I found it a couple times searching for tuning specs.

New tramps should not be too hard to come by, The sail maker here in Greenville makes them for any application as long as he has a pattern (your old tramp). You should not have too much trouble finding someone there to make one. It should be considerably cheaper than a Nacra one as well.

Re: A bunch of Nacra Inter 20 questions [Re: timtower] #249723
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Did you buy the boat that was parked in front of the Four Seasons on Maui?

As for the tramp, Richard Leng at Sunrise can do a good job for you and make sure to tell him you want the 5/8" bolt rope for the main beam track and the side tracks... You going to have to wrestle it in with some sail coat but it will get there.

I had looked converting my end pole system to a mid pole system and the cost was not that much.. Murray's Marine has a hoop and a sock kit for about $200 and as for the other hardware less the pole you're looking at another $100.. As for the pole can't help you with that as it will cost to get it shipped there..

I make two trips there a year for business. My next one is in September. Shoot me a PM I may be able to bring some over some parts and save you on the shipping..

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Re: A bunch of Nacra Inter 20 questions [Re: Ventucky Red] #249726
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Yeah, that's the boat. So I guess I might do the - build your own spinnaker pole, although I was hoping someone had a full length snuffer pole they wanted to get rid of. I'm not really worried about being OD as I only know of one other N20 in the state. Although there are rumors of another...

Not sure what I'm going to do about that Inter 20 logo. I find it annoying, but not at the expense of messing of the boat/gelcoat.

If anyone else has any good ideas about my questions, feel free to chime in.

Thanks everyone,
Tim

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Re: A bunch of Nacra Inter 20 questions [Re: timtower] #249727
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What island are you on?

Re: A bunch of Nacra Inter 20 questions [Re: timtower] #249730
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I have a vector file of the new style nacra logo if you wanted something to replace it.

Re: A bunch of Nacra Inter 20 questions [Re: Ventucky Red] #249735
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Oahu, boats on Maui though. My plan is to race it back during the Maui to Oahu race on labor day, but I need to get a bunch of stuff sorted out first on the boat.

Bacho, probably not going to put anything on the sides of the boat, except maybe a name. Speaking of, what should I name the boat. I could go with something Hawaiian sounding, or maybe a pun on Inter, like name it after the Beastie Boys song (Inter)galactic? My one friend wanted me to name my last boat 'Double Penetration', haha. If you have some good boat names, let me know.

Also, how hard is it to dissasemble the Nacra? I want to move it up to my friend's place upcountry for a month to work on it, but there's no feasible trailer around.

Tim

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Re: A bunch of Nacra Inter 20 questions [Re: timtower] #249741
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Hey Tim,

Hook up with hobie1616 in this forum. He pretty much posts on ht Drill Baby Drill thread. He is on Maui and may be able to hook you up with a trailer to move the boat.

Re: A bunch of Nacra Inter 20 questions [Re: timtower] #249746
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windboard masts can be used as a spin pole, and i bet there are tons of them around .

many people use the SNU system and love it.. .looks great to me too and i would probably go that way for my next spin

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Re: A bunch of Nacra Inter 20 questions [Re: timtower] #249764
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Name it: Humuhumunukunukuapuaa
big letters all the way down the side. that would be awesome!


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Re: A bunch of Nacra Inter 20 questions [Re: timtower] #249777
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Congrats on your new boat!

If you take off that sticker the are underneath will be shiney whereas the rest of the hull will not. It will be quite noticeable unless you do a complete hull wetsanding.

Nacra changed the name of the boat... we didn't ;-)

As for the tramp system... its horrible. I just went through the process of converting my slot system to a bunch of button screws to which to lace the tramp. There's a reason the new boats don't come with the slot system anymore.

Re: A bunch of Nacra Inter 20 questions [Re: ] #249796
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A windsurfing mast for a spinnaker pole actually sounds like a pretty good idea. Maybe I'll use an old 400 cm (13'?) RDM mast or something similar. Anyone have any luck with that idea? Will the snu system work with an old windsurfing mast?

I was looking at the snu website today, (http://stores.homestead.com/gobarefootstudio/StoreFront.bok) and it appears the have three different bag lengths. Anyone know which one works the best on the Inter 20?

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Re: A bunch of Nacra Inter 20 questions [Re: timtower] #249798
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I used to have a tapered fiberglass windsurf mast (was my first spin pole - PS never walk up them while capsized, i now have an alum one).

I spoke with the guy from SNU and he said he would work with me to get a SNU that fit the pole at the right spot.

Not sure on the size, SNU will know, but i will bet it's the biggest one they sell.

Re: A bunch of Nacra Inter 20 questions [Re: timtower] #249800
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Tim,
Go back and read Jake's post. A sunfish mast is the answer and easily fits the snu hoop. You can probably find an old one for free after a few persistent phone calls.


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Re: A bunch of Nacra Inter 20 questions [Re: P.M.] #249808
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I take it, it's the sprit, not the mast, right?


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Re: A bunch of Nacra Inter 20 questions [Re: timtower] #249848
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I'm not sure...really. The spin pole is 1.5" OD with a .065 wall...so whatever part of a sunfish matches that diameter and you're good to go (you'll need to shorten the Sunfish part a little).


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Originally Posted by timtower
I take it, it's the sprit, not the mast, right?

Yes, the sprit is 13'8"
the mast is only 10', which is too short to use as a spin pole.


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I understand the Nacra 20 is supposed to have a pole length of about 144". With the tack block around 143".

It seems that it's hard to get adequate luff tension on an OD spinnaker. Should I make my pole a little longer? Any anyone know by how much?


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