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#253121 10/04/12 10:40 AM 10/04/12 10:40 AM |
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Posts: 5,525 | The last time I was in this situation, the wind was much lighter than 30. I was trying to fetch the dock at the Sanibel boat ramp (not the mainland ramp at Punta Rassa), the wind was coming off the land and would switch directions wildly and puff from near zero to 15-20 in an instant. Being in no particular hurry, I just ran the travel down about a foot sheeted the main tight but not absurdly so. That allowed me to hold the bows off the wind for ease of steering and depowered the main all at the same time. It was all together a pleasant 10-15 minutes, with me practicing the "hold the boat in one place" manuever.
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#253122 10/04/12 10:55 AM 10/04/12 10:55 AM | MN3
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Unregistered | I have gone out only 2x in above 25 intentionally. both times it was on a dart (18 & 20) and it got up above 40.
we were loving it on the dart 18.. until it got so hairy the skipper couldn't effectively steer it and we beached it about 1/2 mile south of our target sans damage.
The second time was with 3 of us on a dart 20... it was fast, furious and very wet... we were snapping battens left and right...
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#253123 10/04/12 11:19 AM 10/04/12 11:19 AM |
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Posts: 5,525 | To me that's pointless. I've only done that once intentionally and it was immediately clear it was a mistake. We made it back to the beach with no damage and I've never repeated the mistake.
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#253124 10/04/12 11:31 AM 10/04/12 11:31 AM |
Joined: Feb 2005 Posts: 4,118 Northfield Mn Karl_Brogger
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Posts: 4,118 Northfield Mn | In hindsight... i'd probably stay on land Usually my vote. Usually..... Semi funny. My crew lost the boat, I was still in the water. I slid back as she was drifting to the rear, and grabbed onto the rudder, she grabbed my foot. She yelled "Now what?!" I said climb me. The boat was drifting so fast I wasn't able to pull both of us up. A weather station a mile or so away reported 60mph winds. It was definitely blowing like hell, but I don't think it was that high where we were.
I'm boatless.
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#253127 10/04/12 11:53 AM 10/04/12 11:53 AM |
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Posts: 12,310 South Carolina | Key is NOT to sail ddw. It's much easier and safer to reach a little with the traveler dropped, in conditions where hoisting the kite on a planning boat is dangerous.
The real question is what do you do when you are reaching at exactly 90 degrees to the wind and are fully depowered, traveled down and start running out of main sheet? This is with the crew on the wire, helm not because the waves are questionable.
We came to a consensus at the club this week but I'm curious what others think. Doesn't matter if is a spin boat or not for the most part but the main is a square top and fully powered up. Try 32+ knots. You have no choice but DDW. Try 40+ gusting to 50+ knots. Balls of steel+DDW seem to be the consensus. And people were giving me **** for wanting reef points in a new TheMightyHobie18 main. You don't have a mainsail up the mast in that going downwind...unless the mast is pointed toward the bottom. Boats will auto-right in 35+ and won't even stay capsized unless they're turtled.
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#253128 10/04/12 12:01 PM 10/04/12 12:01 PM |
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Posts: 5,525 | In hindsight... i'd probably stay on land Usually my vote. Usually..... Semi funny. My crew lost the boat, I was still in the water. I slid back as she was drifting to the rear, and grabbed onto the rudder, she grabbed my foot. She yelled "Now what?!" I said climb me. The boat was drifting so fast I wasn't able to pull both of us up. A weather station a mile or so away reported 60mph winds. It was definitely blowing like hell, but I don't think it was that high where we were. Did you find your hat?
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#253130 10/04/12 12:25 PM 10/04/12 12:25 PM | MN3
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Unregistered | To me that's pointless. I've only done that once intentionally and it was immediately clear it was a mistake. We made it back to the beach with no damage and I've never repeated the mistake. Gotta test the limits sometimes to know how far is "too far" where i sail is protected from the gulf waves and if we capsize there is land within a mile or 2 in every direction. As long as the wind isn't pushing you out the pass into the gulf... your not gonna drift for to long... even the 2nd time was fun and i had a cute girl screaming and holding on to me the entire time, meanwhile Capt Steve had a **** eating grin from ear to ear... the whole time, even when the battens were snappingin gusts around 45mph. Both Darts handled the wind like a champ...
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#253131 10/04/12 12:29 PM 10/04/12 12:29 PM | MN3
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Unregistered | In hindsight... i'd probably stay on land Usually my vote. Usually..... She yelled "Now what?!" I said climb me. you dirty dog! - but i am gonna try that line next time i capsize with a hottie onboard PS who took those amazing pictures? | | | Re: C20na ... downwind nospin. traveler question
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#253133 10/04/12 12:46 PM 10/04/12 12:46 PM |
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Posts: 1,152 tampa, fl | In hindsight... i'd probably stay on land Usually my vote. Usually..... Semi funny. My crew lost the boat, I was still in the water. I slid back as she was drifting to the rear, and grabbed onto the rudder, she grabbed my foot. She yelled "Now what?!" I said climb me. The boat was drifting so fast I wasn't able to pull both of us up. A weather station a mile or so away reported 60mph winds. It was definitely blowing like hell, but I don't think it was that high where we were. Holy crap....this is the second photo sequence of you wiping out in one week. Either a) you wipe out A LOT, or 2) Photo boats seem to find you at the best possible times!
If your havin girl problems i feel bad for you son I got 99 problems but my beautiful wife ain't one | | | Re: C20na ... downwind nospin. traveler question
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#253135 10/04/12 01:17 PM 10/04/12 01:17 PM | MN3
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Unregistered | Top pic gets my vote: you see the hat in the air, and the crew falling into the drink through the trampoline
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#253136 10/04/12 01:48 PM 10/04/12 01:48 PM |
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Holy crap....this is the second photo sequence of you wiping out in one week. Either a) you wipe out A LOT, or 2) Photo boats seem to find you at the best possible times!
Yes, and yes.
I'm boatless.
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